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ffr.de odin25 at netcom.com
Fri Aug 18 20:24:23 EST 1995

Not again!! this issue was in fact dispelled by very simple facts years 
ago-some people never read I guess.

mikes at netaccess.on.ca wrote:
:  just a little comment about the sheer insanity of  baboon bone marrow
: being used to treat aids patients as well as the possibly cruel irony
: of ebola rushton based vaccine substrates. lest any forget..( no this
: issue is far from dead )

It only lives in the minds of those who don't open their minds to the 
countervailing data

 . some say it was  a vaccine ( live polio
: that is ) that unleashed killers like hiv htlv-1 htlv-2 sv40 marburg
: ebola congo crimean hemoraghic fever etc etc into the human genome in
: the first place.

:  could be a sort of 1956 version of ` the philadelphia story actually
: happened like this...

:  somewhere...at a now prominent place called wistar..one fine day a
: few hela ( human cervical cancer cells from a dead woman named
: henrietta lacks - cells of the sort that were rampantly contaminating
: all early polio reserach facilities worldwide back then ) rather 
: opportunistically landed in some petrie dishes which were full of
: monkey kidney cells, most of which had been thoroughly infected with
: all kinds of simian felo and lenteviruses.

:  now as it happens these same sorts of rna based monkey contagions
: tend to make the surfaces of infected cells ( be they monkey or man )
: very sticky causing them to clump together - incidentally human
: t-cells infiltrated by hiv htlv-1,2 marburg or ebolah all do this too

Hmm, I don't suppose the fact that some of these are rapidly lytic and 
would have wiped out the culture could be relevent-somehow the vaccine 
preparers must have missed such an obvious phenotype of ravaged cells in 
their preps.  Ok so the non-filoviruses aren't lytic, I'll read on even 
though propagation in Hela seems tenuous (fibroblast vs the T cell from 
which HTLV derives its name).

:   anyway after that early invitro hela cell invasion: 
slowly but
: surely as they are want to do the hela cells began to crowd out their
: simain species neighbours. but in the process hela and monkey cells
: also began sticking to one another actually breaching and breaking
: down cell menbranes and forming chimeric bodies( this phenomenon was
: documented some years later ) , anyhow getting back to philadelphia
: 1956..... somewhere within a myriad of petrie dishes...cytoplasm
: flowed from monkey cell to hela and visa versa. intracellularly too
: thier nuclei actually combined creating the first man-> monkey cell
: hybrids in some ten million years of non lab assisted evolution.

Somehow I think that co-existance and consumption of humans and other 
primates throughout human history probably led to many such 
opportunities-maybe even some which gave rise to the human tropic viruses 
in a wild setting.  Just a thought but then some people will believe 
anything-like the head of state who said that HIV probably crawled out of 
a nuclear waste dump.

:  later after separating, both mutant hela and monkey cell hybrids
: were observed to have shared and occassionally exchanged bits of one
: anothers genetic info ( including rna and dna retro-based nucleic
: viral material ) among such adopted viral nucleic particles could have
: been the simain versions of siv sv40 stlv marburg ebola rushton etc.
: nevertheless as of yet these viruses would have been quite incapable
: of attaching themselves to and breaching the outer membranes of
: healthy human cells but since they were already comfortably inside
: helas they had no trouble in commandeering human cell machinery to
: create a factory for simian viruses that in the process also enabled
: their daughters to pick up crucial human antigens which ultimately
: would enable them to stick to cell surfaces, subsequently allowing
: their progeny after inadvertently getting swallowed by still other
: chimeras to sooner or later successfully infect well nigh any hela
: cell ( or if it were possible healthy human t cell  ) that came along

:   in this manner literally hundreds of millions even billions of hela
: cancer cells may have been infected with true hiv htlv ebola marburg
: etc some months before any still living human guinea pig inadvertently
: was. indeed in very short order unbeknowst to early polio researchers
: true cross species viral emergence ` zoonism ' probably had already
: occured within lab settings  .particularly since hela cells multiply
: faster than any animal cell known and can even be spread via airborne
: particles perchance they went on to infect with their now man->monkey
: plagues not only batch after batch of the very first polio vaccine
: substrates ( n.b . the salk vaccine showed hela markers as early as
: the fifties and hela contamination at wistar during that period was
: known to have been rampant too )  but likewise shortly therafter via
: live or insufficently denatured vaccines the entire human race.

:   was the net result the marburg ebola hiv burkitts syndrome etc hot
: zone precisely where koprowski's vaccine was first disseminated. as
: well as those rathe

what? the same lots of the vaccine were also used in Poland which had the 
lowest level of HIV infection.  Where did burkitts come from?  now EBV is 
also caused this way!!  90% of adults are such infected with this-why not 
the other viruses as well?  

r paralelle & coincidental appearances of marburg
: in germany, yugoslavia along with htlv-1 htlv-2 and sv40 bred cancers
: leukemias and chronic fatigue epidemics in america which we observe
: today ?

:  if so then dare we once again use knowingly virally contaminated
: monkey cells as substrates for human vaccines ? dare we reintroduce
: highly mutative ( even if supposedly harmless and denatured )  ebolah
: rushton into human guinea pigs a la a crude and  rather ironic
: repitition of what may well have happened at wistar in 1956 ?   

I think you mean Reston, as in Virginia.  Who is planning on injecting 
this virus into people?  To prevent what?  Generally populations aren't 
immunized against something which very rarely occurs.

:  worse yet should we be introducing baboon bone marrow cells into
: human aids patients whose sticky hiv infected t-cells are sure to form
: a few man->baboon chimera's, satanic cell hybrids  which equally hold
: terrifying potentials to spawn rather similar waves of zoonistic
: global baboon plagues in man ???!!! does this seem like pure science
: fiction -if so then read micheal golds a conspiracy of cells the
: fantastically imporbable but true posthumous tale of henrietta lacks.

:    barry scott aug 95

: p.s anyone with information concerning ( i believe ) the highly
: probable link between htlv-1, htlv-2 and chronic fa

This must be why the Japanese are always so tired!!!!  You should publish 
this stuff.

tigue syndrome
: please forward said info to me. as well as info concerning the
: nomenclatures and discriptions of any and all type 4 viruses currently
: being studied at the etobico lab...send e mail to
: mikes at netaccess.on.ca   ...Subject:Barry Scott


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