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Peter Bell bell at morpheus.cis.yale.edu
Sat Jan 6 13:02:40 EST 1996

In article <4chofo$cnj at mserv1.dl.ac.uk> "Dr. Ulrich Schroeder" <Ulrich.Schroeder at IfN-Magdeburg.DE> writes:
>On 4 Jan 1996 09:29:42 -0800, 
>Chuck Miller  <rellim at MAILHOST.TCS.TULANE.EDU> wrote:
>More on moderation.....
>:The examples of the junk mail that would not be acceptable for posting to
>:the tox. group are the recent "Oracle of Man", "Free Sex Pictures And
>:Videos" and "MDs can get $50,000 on their signature" posts.
>I absolutely agree. There is too much of that stuff in the newsgroups.

I agree too -- this stuff is pointless.  

>:Several students (asking for help with homework or papers) and other lay
>:persons have posted to the group and requested general information that is
>:normally available in a library or on MEDLINE. The tox group should not be
>:used as a substitute for a trip to the library. On the other hand,
>:toxicologists have a duty to disseminate knowledge. I favor allowing these
>:posts to continue -- at least for now. Some of them are even fun to read!

Yeah, when students post asking questions they could answer for 
themselves at the library, I usually just tell 'em to go look for the 
building on campus with all the books in it.  OTOH, when a layperson 
without access to search tools that I have access to posts a request for 
information, I'm often happy to help, especially if I'm not too busy.  

I was well-rewarded in the case of the fellow who recently asked for info 
on HF exposure.  The search was trivial to do, and while I didn't turn up 
much that looked relevant to his question, I did find the following gem, 
which I wouldn't have seen if his post had been moderated out:

AU  - Cappell MS
AU  - Simon T
TI  - Fulminant acute colitis following a self-administered hydrofluoric
      acid enema. [Review]
SO  - American Journal of Gastroenterology 1993 Jan;88(1):122-6
AB  - A 33-yr-old white male presented with bloody diarrhea, leukocytosis,
      and left lower quadrant direct and rebound tenderness after a
      self-administered concentrated hydrofluoric acid enema while
      intoxicated from intranasal cocaine administration. Intraoperative
      flexible sigmoidoscopy and a gastrografin enema revealed severe
      mucosal ulceration and edema in the rectum and sigmoid colon.
      Laparotomy revealed an ulcerated, necrotic, and purulent sigmoid
      colon and intraperitoneal pus. The patient underwent a limited
      sigmoid resection and a Hartman procedure. Five months later, the
      patient presented with a rectal stricture which was resected. This
      case demonstrates that a hydrofluoric acid enema can cause fulminant
      acute colitis and chronic colonic strictures. [References: 33]

>:I welcome such debates as the recent/current discussion on Hg, amalgams,
>:composite fillings and their toxicities. The tox group was formed just for
>:this type of scientific discussion. I would hardly characterize the
>:discussion as a "flame war".  I think all parties have behaved
>:professionally so far. I appreciate discussions that stick to the
>:literature/data to support various points of view. 

Okay, cool.  I was wondering about that, as it was the highest-traffic 
conversation we'd had for quite a while, and it was after it had come 
through that the moderation post was made.  

If moderation would be essentially a spam and commercial post filter, it 
would be fine by me, although we don't seem to get that much of 

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