There is difference between natural and artificial. But for human
beings their lives now have become mostly artificial.
The problem is that in the process of education stimulated by BR
(brain reinforcement) one indeed loses the freedom of will largely
than in customary education.
Indeed the rat is constantly doused in artificial situations has
become a robot. But I don't say that it is needed constant influence.
If in process of education with brain stimulation a rat has gotten
bigger intellect than the other rats it will able use it in natural
Education with using BRs unlike customary one gives (as I think)
higher speed of education. They both are artificial suggestive means.
So BR is only a means. As any means it can be used differently.
Only experimentally we will able to state, how BR influences on
"k p Collins" <kpaulc@[----------]earthlink.net> wrote in message news:<AIAPb.18061$i4.8194 at newsread1.news.atl.earthlink.net>...
> Hi Oleg,
>> "Oleg" <ingenuous at mail.ru> wrote in message
> news:3fe91fdd.0401210908.6e7d50b3 at posting.google.com...> > "NMF" <neil.fournier at sympatico.ca> wrote in message
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> > > Is this an idea you have or are you reiterate work done by others in
> > > field?
> > Yes. You can see also earlier ones
> > http://neuron.tuke.sk/~hudecm/helps/NN/DuplexReinforcementLearning.txt> > There is a recent experiment
> > http://www.sciencenews.org/20020504/fob3.asp close to the subject.
> > On waveform - I agree with that.
> > As to influence of negative zones. In short term experiments positive
> > emotions prevail. But of course in long term ones it can be a
> > complexifying factor. As well as the epileptiform activity.
>> "Reinforcement" is only functional with respect to naturally-
> occurring experiential dynamics, and, to the degree that it
> were to be directed in any way that is not coupled to such
> naturally-occurring dynamics, the nervous so directed will
> become less-capable of coping with naturally-occurring
>> The rats cited in the =Science News= report are a case
> in-point. They have been transformed into biological-'robots'.
>> The same thing happens with respect to =any= and =all=
> forms of manipulation of neural dynamics that are imposed
> in =any= way that is not coupled to naturally-occurring
>> It's what happens in instances of drug addiction, for instance.
>> The addict converges upon being a 'robut' whose "prime
> directive" is "get the drug", not only is such not-effective
> with respect to the addict's survival, it also decreases the
> survival propensities of the addict's associates - because
> the addict will steal from them, mug them, and, otherwise,
> impose 'abnormal' energy-consumption upon them.
>> It doesn't matter how it's done, exerting external control
> =always= decreases nervous systems' information-proc-
> essing capabilities.
>> This is why, when one conveys information that is verifiably
> to the benefit of folks who, formerly, did not have access
> to it, after communicating the information, one must 'stand-
> back' and allow folks' nervous systems to discover what's
> in the information without 'interference'.
>> With respect to 'normal' nervous system function, there is
> no 'magic' that 'trumps' eons of evolutionary 'engineering'.
>> I do not miss where you choose to carry your 'heart', and
> see Love and Hope in the way that you do, but, I'm sorry,
> what you propose will just not be functional with respect
> to nervous systems' information-processing capabilities.
>> If you want to lift Humanity up, the best way to do so is
> to eliminate absence-of-understanding where ever it
>> For instance, the consequences inherent in many Parent-
> Child interactive dynamics are exactly-analogous to
> sticking electrodes into brains fairly-'randomly' - their
> only significant consequence is that they decrease the
> information-processing capabilities of the Child's ner-
> vous system. [And the Child matures to Adulthood, and
> does the same-stuff to his own Children.]
>> If I've seen what's in your 'heart' correctly, then I en-
> courage you to displace absence-of-understanding that
> exists within this Vicious intergenerational cycling with
>> =Of course=, with respect to assisting nervous systems
> that, through injury or genetics, suffer reduced cababilities,
> it's a different matter, almost-entirely.
>> ken [k. p. collins]