"Bob LeChevalier" <lojbab at lojban.org> wrote in message news:fifmnu0qfn4a8o4li9o2070kcvie2aejb0 at 4ax.com...
> "John Knight" <jwknight at polbox.com> wrote:
> >From: "Jack Lancaster" <aiken at internetcds.com>
> >> The Talmud came from Babylon.
>> No. Parts of it are CALLED the Babylonian Talmud.
>
There are two Talmuds. The one most available for public consumption to "gentiles" is the Jerusalem Talmud. The REAL Talmud is the Babylonian Talmud.
> >It is the traditions of men.
>> Yes. So is all religion. The Bible is part of the traditions of
> Christians, who are men (and women).
>
No, Christianity and the religion of the Israelites are God's Law.
Mat 15:3 But he answered and said unto them, Why do ye also transgress the commandment of God by your tradition?
Mat 15:4 For God commanded, saying, Honor thy father and mother: and, He that curseth father or mother, let him die the death.
Mat 15:5 But ye say, Whosoever shall say to his father or his mother, It is a gift, by whatsoever thou mightest be profited by me;
Mat 15:6 And honor not his father or his mother, he shall be free. Thus have ye made the commandment of God of none effect by your tradition.
Mat 15:7 Ye hypocrites, well did Isaiah prophesy of you, saying,
Mat 15:8 This people draweth nigh unto me with their mouth, and honoreth me with their lips; but their heart is far from me.
Mat 15:9 But in vain they do worship me, teaching for doctrines the commandments of men.
Nobody really expects a jew or a "liberal" to ever comprehend the difference, but most of the 2 billion Christians in the world, a third of the world population, understand it precisely.
We know you "liberals" never will.
> >Jesus said all that followed that man made tradition was the synagogue of Satan.
>> Jesus said no such thing. He said that the practices of some
> particular Jews (the Pharisees) were are perversion of the will of God
> (just as Thomas Jefferson said that the teachings of Paul were a
> Platonic perversion of the pure moral teachings of Christ). The
> Pharisees were hardly all of Judaism; they were merely the power
> structure of the Jews in Judea. At the time of Christ, most Jews
> lived outside of Judea (Roman censuses record over a million in
> Alexandria of Egypt alone) and had little to do with the Pharisees.
>
It's impossible that jews were ever more than 0.25% of the population, just as they are today. If there were a million jews in Rome 2,000 years ago, there would now be tens of billions of jews today. There are only 15 million.
Most of the people in Judaea were Isrealites, not jews.
All jews in Judaea at the time were members of one of three sects--Pharisees, Sadducees, or Essenes.
Joh 18:19 The high priest then asked Jesus of his disciples, and of his doctrine.
Joh 18:20 Jesus answered him, I spake openly to the world; I ever taught in the synagogue, and in the temple, whither the Jews always resort; and in secret have I said nothing.
Joh 18:21 Why askest thou me? ask them which heard me, what I have said unto them: behold, they know what I said.
Joh 18:22 And when he had thus spoken, one of the officers which stood by struck Jesus with the palm of his hand, saying, Answerest thou the high priest so?
Joh 18:23 Jesus answered him, If I have spoken evil, bear witness of the evil: but if well, why smitest thou me?
Joh 18:24 Now Annas had sent him bound unto Caiaphas the high priest.
These were the jews striking Jesus, not His fellow Israelites.
> >It has nothing to do with the Bible.
>> Does it claim to have anything to do with the Bible?
>> >It calls Jesus a bastard
>> In a sense he is. After all, His Father was not married to Mary (who
> of course to the world around not aware of the miracle would have been
> seen as an adulteress). Joseph was only his adoptive father if one
> takes the virgin birth literally; none of his genes were in Jesus (of
> course then the genealogy of Matthew 1 is irrelevant and a lie, since
> Joseph could not have begat Jesus, but we have to ignore such Biblical
> contradictions - Matthew and Luke knew nothing about DNA genetics).
>
Jesus is the Son of God.
Israelite law required Joseph to "put her away privately" Matthew 1:19 had she conceived a child in adultery. The only reason that didn't happen is Matthew 1:20 "But when he was giving thought to these things, an angel of the Lord came to him in a dream, saying, Joseph, son of David, have no fear of taking Mary as your wife; because that which is in her body is of the Holy Spirit."
Matthew 1:25 "And he had no connection with her till she had given birth to a son; and he gave him the name Jesus."
It's clear as a bell from the Holy Bible that they didn't need DNA studies to know exactly what Christ's biological ancestry is, but you can look that up yourself.
> the commitments described in the Old
> Testament between God and the Jews are worthy of the loyalty that the
> Jews hold towards their traditions.
The only religious law that applies to jews is in the Talmud, which is completely contrary to the Israelites' Old Testament.
It's impossible for both to apply.
>> >> Read a close translation of it that has not been
> >> doctored and you will see this is true or have someone who has a translation
> >> send some of the translations to you. We have been deceived.
>> No one has "deceived" anyone, since the purpose of the Talmud is to
> educate Jews, not to deceive Christians.
>> lojbab
a.. Is this why the Talmud prescribes the death penalty for anyone who discusses the contents of the Talmud?:
a.. Sanhedrin (59a) -- `Prying into Jews' "Law" to get death penalty
b.. Is this why the Talmud instructs jews not to save a Christian's life:
a.. Hilkkoth Akum (X,1) -- Do not save Christians in danger of death.
c.. Is this why jews who are baptized are subject to the death penalty?:
a.. Hilkhoth Akum(X,2) -- Baptized Jews are to be put to death
d.. Is this why Carl Pearlston [read: Pearlstein] insists that:
a.. "Christians prefer sex with cows"? http://christianparty.net/pearlston.htm
Is this what you call "educate jews"?
Is this what you claim hasn't "deceived anyone"?
Are you a jew? Or were you deceived?
John Knight
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