"John Knight" <johnknight at usa.com> wrote in message
news:2KI09.31078$Fq6.3191106 at news2.west.cox.net...
> "Jd" <JDay123 at BellSouth.com> wrote in message
> news:3d42d259.3050523 at news1.lig.bellsouth.net...> > In alt.education Re: brain sizes: Einstein's and women's,
> > Shadow Dancer wrote...
> >
> > >(1) You spend too much time in sexual fantasies to learn anything, and
> > >(2) Your reading comprehension scores are SO low that you did not
> > >understand any of the credible evidence we presented to refute you, and
> > >(3) You cannot answer the same questions you claim girls scored lower
on.
> >
> > >Same goes for you, Jd.
> >
> > >Bible verses do not mean squat when one is talking about a secular
> > >organization; namely, the United States. Remember the separation of
> Church
> > >and State? Do you even know the meaning of it? Better learn fast if
you
> > >hope to live in this country successfully.
> >
>> Shallow Dunce, this is a CHRISTIAN nation, founded by our CHRISTIAN
> Forefathers, for CHRISTIANS, who live amongst 264 million fellow
CHRISTIANS.
>> If you "think" "separation of church and state" means that us 264 million
> Christians have to put up with your STUPIDITY, you stand the risk of
getting
> shipped out along with the STUPID jews.
>http://christianparty.net/poll.htm>> John Knight
<snip of horribly biased misquoted and misconstrued statistics>
I live amongst that many Christians, eh? Many ask me to read their tarot or
determine the sex of their baby. Others have asked me to perform healing on
themselves, their children, and their pets. Isn't that fabulous? My
particular area of the country is heavily Catholic. They happen to like me.
Oh and here is a reminder that this nation is *NOT* a "Christian" nation.
Our founding fathers wanted to create a country FREE of religious
persecutions by its government - and why? Because they, Puritans, were
persecuted by the Anglican Christians of Britain who also controlled the
monarchy (e.g., their government, at that time in history, in case you are
too dense to "get" it).
Here are the quotes all over again, just for you - and every bit as
checkable as any of the other non-Christian-Party references posted in this
topic (and I am beginning to wonder if you did as badly at basic history as
you did in the sciences; perhaps you have forgotten these gentlemen?).
Note, especially, what the very FIRST quote says, taken from legislation
early in this country's history:
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Treaty of Tripoli, 1797, carried unanimously by the Senate:
"As the government of the United States is not, in any sense, founded on the
Christian religion; as it has in itself no character of enmity against the
laws, religion or tranquility of Musselmen [Muslims] ... it is declared ...
that no pretext arising from religious opinion shall ever product an
interruption of the harmony existing between the two countries... The United
States is not a Christian nation any more than it is a Jewish or a
Mohammedan nation."
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John Adams from his book A Defense of the Constitutions of Government of the
United States of America, 1788:
"The United States of America have exhibited, perhaps, the first example of
governments erected on the simple principles of nature.... [In] the
formation of the American governments ... it will never be pretended that
any persons employed in that service had interviews with the gods, or were
in any degree under the influence of heaven... These governments were
contrived merely by the use of reason and the senses."
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John Adams in a letter to Thomas Jefferson:
"I almost shudder at the thought of alluding to the most fatal example of
the abuses of grief which the history of mankind has preserved -- the Cross.
Consider what calamities that engine of grief has produced!"
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Ethan Allen from his book Reason the Only Oracle of Man, 1784:
"I have generally been denominated a Deist, the reality of which I never
disputed, being conscious I am no Christian, except mere infant baptism
makes me one; and as to being a Deist, I know not strictly speaking, whether
I am one or not."
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Benjamin Franklin in An Essay on Toleration:
"If we look back into history for the character of the present sects in
Christianity, we shall find few that have not in their turns been
persecutors, and complainers of persecution. The primitive Christians
thought persecution extremely wrong in the pagans, but practiced it on one
another. The first Protestants of the Church of England blamed persecution
in the Roman Church, but practiced it upon the Puritans. These found it
wrong in the bishops, but fell into the same practice themselves both here
and in New England."
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Andrew Jackson in 1832, making a statement about refusing to proclaim a
national day of fasting and prayer:
"I could not do otherwise without transcending the limits prescribed by the
Constitution for the President and without feeling that I might in some
degree disturb the security which religion nowadays enjoys in this country
in its complete separation from the political concerns of the General
Government."
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Thomas Jefferson to Jeremiah Moor, 1800:
"The clergy, by getting themselves established by law and engrafted into the
machine of government, have been a very formidable engine against the civil
and religious rights of man."
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Thomas Jefferson in Jefferson's Works, Vol. IV:
"The hocus-pocus fantasy of a God, like another Cerberus, with one body and
three heads, had its birth and growth in the blood of thousands and
thousands of martyrs."
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James Madison in a letter objecting to the use of government land for
churches, 1803:
"The purpose of separation of church and state is to keep forever from these
shores the ceaseless strife that has soaked the soil of Europe in blood for
centuries."
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James Madison, A Memorial and Remonstrance Against Religious Assessments as
addressed to the Virginia General Assembly in 1785:
"During almost fifteen centuries has the legal establishment of Christianity
been on trial. What have been its fruits? More or less in all places, pride
and indolence in the Clergy, ignorance and servility in the laity, in both,
superstition, bigotry and persecution. Enquire of the Teachers of
Christianity for the ages in which it appeared in its greatest luster; those
of every sect, point to the ages prior to its incorporation with civil
policy."
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Thomas Paine in the book The Rights of Man, 1791:
"Persecution is not an original feature in any religion; but it is always
the strongly marked feature of all religions established by law. Take away
the law-establishment, and every religion re-assumes its original
benignity."
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Thomas Paine in the book The Age of Reason:
"All national institutions of churches, whether Jewish, Christian or
Turkish, appear to me no other than human inventions, set up to terrify and
enslave mankind, and monopolize power and profit."
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George Washington in a letter to the United Baptist Chamber of Virginia, May
1789:
"If I could conceive that the general government might ever be so
administered as to render the liberty of conscience insecure, I beg you will
be persuaded, that no one would be more zealous than myself to establish
effectual barriers against the horrors of spiritual tyranny, and every
species of religious persecution."
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Benjamin Franklin wrote in his biography:
"As to Jesus of Nazareth, my Opinion of whom you particularly desire, I
think the System of Morals and his Religion...has received various
corrupting Changes, and I have, with most of the present dissenters in
England, some doubts as to his Divinity; tho' it is a question I do not
dogmatize upon, having never studied it, and think it needless to busy
myself with it now, when I expect soon an opportunity of knowing the Truth
with less trouble."
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Thomas Jefferson wrote in a letter to William Short:
"I have examined all the known superstitions of the world, and I do not find
in our particular superstition of Christianity one redeeming feature. They
are all alike; founded on fables and mythology. Millions of innocent men,
women and children, since the introduction of Christianity, have been burnt,
tortured, fined, and imprisoned. What has been the effect of this coercion?
To make one half the world fools and the other half hypocrites; to support
roguery and error all over the earth."
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Benjamin Franklin:
"Those who choose to sacrifice Freedom in order to gain Security shall not
have, nor do they deserve, either one."
