"Bob LeChevalier" <lojbab at lojban.org> wrote in message
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> "John Knight" <johnknight at usa.com> wrote:
> [regarding TIMSS physics question H04, which he has NOT yet successfully
> answered or explained]
> >The correct answer is voluminously documented at the url's that were
linked
> >to this question, so this is no longer the issue.
>> The issue is that YOU, who criticize the intelligence of American girls,
may
> not know the answer, and if you looked it up, cannot explain WHY it is
that
> answer. This means that you are DUMBER than the girls that you criticize,
> because they at least attempted to answer the question, whereas YOU play
> games and hi-step around admitting your ignorance or giving an explanation
of
> the correct answer.
>> >The issue is that
> >American 12th grade girls answered this question in a way that suggests
they
> >were misled.
>> Really? I thought you said that most of them guessed?
>
How many times does a normal person have to repeat a simple fact before a
"liberal" finally catches on.
The correct statement is "ONE THIRD of American girls scored lower on the
test than if they'd just guessed". By necessity, this means that SOME girls
did not guess, but instead answered in a way they thought was correct, but
wasn't. You keep ignoring the big question, which is how is it
possible to score consistently lower than if they'd just guessed on all
these questions?
> (The truth is probably that few of them were taught anything at all that
> pertained to the question, and they attempted to solve it using false
> analogies to things that they did know, with different false analogies
> leading to each of the wrong answers given because that was what the test
was
> designed to do - figure out what kids were being taught and how well)
>
The truth is that the girls taking the test were just as confused as the
feminazis on this list. Feminazis are obviously stupider than normal girls,
but
the way they've misled themselves just with H04 is a process that isn't at
all as systematic as you propose.
Even when their errors were pointed out to them, they were still so arrogant
and ignorant that they came nowhere close to grasping the most basic
concepts.
Yes, they were misled. They misled themselves.
> >The reason we know they were misled is that only 22.8% of them got it
> >correct, compared to an international average for girls of 26.3%, 42.6%
of
> >American boys, and 53.9% of Swedish boys.
>> Even 53.9% is not a particularly good score, if they had in fact been
taught
> the test. But we have no reason to believe that even the Swedish boys
were
> taught the test problem.
>
Swedish boys scored infinitely higher than the Swedish girls who scored 9%
lower than if they'd just guessed, who were taught (or not taught) in the
same classrooms as the Swedish boys.
Why?
> >Clearly American girls did very poorly on this question. If they knew
> >nothing whatsoever, 25% of them would have gotten it correct just by
> >guessing, so when 2.2% fewer get it correct than if they'd just guessed,
> >many of them clearly thought they knew the right answer, but it was the
> >wrong answer.
>> Or perhaps they had some ideas on what MIGHT be the correct answer, but
were
> less than sure, and didn't much worry about it because TIMSS is a test
that
> doesn't really matter to the kids.
>
Oh, I see. 43% of American boys DID get it correct, because they DID "worry
about it", but because only 14% of American girls got it correct, they
didn't? Is that how it works? And the 53% of Norwegian boys who got it
correct DID worry about it, but because only 27% of Norwegian girls got it
correct, they didn't "worry about it"? I get it. 42% of Danish boys DID
worry and got it correct, but because only 18% of their girls got it
correct, they did NOT? Same symptom in Canada--with 38% of boys, but only
21% of girls getting it correct? And Germany, 45% to 13%?
Since boys and girls are in coed classes, why do you think boys all around
the world DID worry about it, but girls didn't?
Would you like to try out a new theory?
> >This is a bit worse than knowing absolutely nothing about the problem,
> >wouldn't you say?
>> No.
>
Why would you believe that thinking you're right but being consistently
wrong is better than having no opinion at all?
> >If it was just one question, you could chalk it up to
> >some kind of error in the test,
>> I would NEVER chalk it up to an error on the test. I might chalk it up to
> GOOD test design, however.
>
Certainly the design of the test is excellent. The simple fact that it
presented the kinds of problems that challenge students rather than attempt
to "enhance
their self esteem", by itself, is a real breakthrough in this age of
"political correctness" [read: jewish terrorism]. That few
students in other countries had this problem is proof enough that the test
isn't flawed. But because this is one of only two possibilities, it can't
be ignored, can it?
If the test is not flawed, then the only explanation is that our 12th grade
girls were misled, isn't it?
How do you think they got so misled, across so many different
types of questions, in so many different subject areas?
John Knight
