In article <8puas1$1pt$1 at nnrp1.deja.com>, teyh at my-deja.com wrote:
>> Thanks for the excellent discussion! I haven't read such good
>spirited discussion on internet for quite some time.
This is one of the best places you can find.
> Since one can not keep taking without giving back, I will chip
>in my two cents:
> I believe the basic function of sleep is to stop the
>fully-awake cycle and start a maintenance cycle.
Before you start, you may wish to consider another aspect:
During the dream state, you move to you "home" domain.
You virtually "travel" to the domains of non-physical.
Tremendous inspiration happens during the time of sleep.
Most fluid information exchange between this domain and
others happend in the dream state, as in the "waking"
state, you are largely bound by the limitations of the
physical domain, concerned with many things of the
rudimentary phisical level.
> The Hypothalamus
>determines when sleep is needed:
This can not be proven.
It is UTTERLY unclear what "determines" what.
In a larger sense, your ESSENSE "determines" the focus.
It is utterly unclear what is "connected" to what
and what is the "cause" of what.
You CAN make the statements of the kind
"we observe this and this to concide with that and that",
but what is the CAUSE of what, is the CAUSE of what,
is outside of your scope.
>(a) To refresh the body: human body generates many waste and
> some of them are poisonous if not clean up in timely fashion.
> Hypothalamus monitors the contents of blood and orders
> a maintenance cycle should body is in bad shape. This is
> when a sick patient starts to feel sleepy.
>(b) To refresh the brain: as a special case to (a), the brain
> is often the first components of the body that signals the
> need for a maintenance cycle. The brain consumes the majority
> of energy and blood supply in normal condition. A high school
> student often feels sleepy due to heavy homework.
Well, interestingly enough, if you look at it from a different
angle, you may get a little surprise.
You see, before you go to sleep, you seem to be tired and
exhausted. If you try to go on for 30-40 hours, you may find
yourself nearly "dead", so hopeless seem to be the case.
Now, after being TOTALLY exhausted, you have some sleep,
and when you wake up, you are alive again.
This might look like "nothing new" to some "scientists",
but it is simply shocking.
How can you become alive just within a few hours after
You can rationalize about it. You can look at the microscope,
or some other scope and assert "oh, we can see 'how it all
woiks'", but you have seen nothing in that case.
It IS a miracle of sorts. Such a tremendous change in resources
it is. It is going from the point of being bankrupt
to the point of being a "millionaire", just in few hours.
The processes during the sleep are pretty much misunderstood
in their entirety. The most misterious and magical aspects
of sleep TOTALLY escape your perception.
Sleep is one of the most tremendous subjects you can find
and sleep will eventually provide you with the hints to
your true intelligence.
Carl Jung was one of the most revolutionary scientists
as he, "all of a sudden", came up with an idea of collective
subconscious. That was a revolutionary step.
That implies that there are communications between the individuals
of a group, aligning the individual ideas along the particual lines.
Finally, you develop a common fabric on the subconscious level.
You do not even consciously perceive it necessarily.
It all seems "natural" to you. You all think along the same lines.
Now, in the dream state, there are most profound communications
take place, and the reason they are most profound is because
you simply have no limits at "that time".
You migh recall some of your dreams and may eventually realize
that you were engaged in the LITERAL magic.
Well, because you were walking down your street, then turning
around the corner, and, all of a sudden, were walking in
a totally different city, or even age. You might even have
a different identity altogether.
Yes, a good kwestion. Worth investigating indeed.
But the "bottom line" is that in your dreams you were outside
the scope of time and space, and yet you WERE.
Sometimes you CLEARLY remember those dreams, no matter what
someone may "explain" about "how it 'really' woiks".
Yes, you WERE ouside of scope of limitation of the phisical
domain in that junction.
Can you take it from here?
>(c) To refresh the memory: as a special case to (b), the memory
> encoding/retrieval is heavy part of the overall consciousness
> process in brain. The cortex that dominates the memory and
> thinking process is the prefrontal lobe, it consumes most of
> the blood supply and energy of the brain. Thus it is often the
> first components in the brain that triggers the signal for a
> maintenance cycle.
>> The maintenance cycle is signified by a 7-13 Hz alpha wave.
> It may not actively clean up the neuron, but it does help
> inhibit the neuron and send them back to initial state.
Well, it is not clear what the alpha waves trully signify.
All you can state that you are clearly in a different state.
Another thing you can clearly state is that you ARE.
That is not to be forgotten.
It is not merely a trivial "fact".
It is the KEY.
>(d) To calm the emotion: as another special case to (b), the
> emotion system (limbic)
Please, be nice.
This is a herecy of sorts.
ALL you can state, again, is that you can observe certain
things, coinciding with certain other things, but to call
a limic system an emotion system is stretching your abilities
beyond your means.
> is also part of the consciousness.
and a CORE part at that.
That is the part that provides you with the very
impetus to be.
And that is the same part, this destructive society of yours
is trying to supress and literally anihilate.
The most cunning, well understood trick.
Unless you can see it, you will be a slave.
There simply is no other way.
> The limbic system causes emergency reaction and results in
> consuming large amount of blood supply and energy.
Because you are operating at your peak.
> consequence is also signals for the need of maintenance
> cycle after the emotional reaction.
Yes, widhrawal from the engagement definetely has recuperating
That is the very nature of meditation.
It is active widhrawal from engagement and entaglements
of the physical domain.
Refreshing as it gets.
And yet, your awareness is FULLY functioning.
It is not some kind of a zomby state.
Nothing further from the truth.
It is a state of certain peak functioning,
as far, as your consciousness is concerned,
only without exhausting evaluation process,
otherwise continuously draining your resources
during the "normal" "waking" state of activity
of the mind, logical, reasonable, etc.
> However trying to sleep after an emotional event is very hard
> since many neurons are fired up to the fullest and is
> extremely hard to tame them with the alpha wave. Sleeping pill
> is often needed in these cases.
Sliping pill is a pill of death to your entity.
Even if there are no actual side effects in terms of
physical body, but is but a short circuit to your entire being.
There is a reason why you are so emotinally engaged.
There is something for your to LEARN from it.
Those might be some of the most precious moments of your life.
Why do you want to just short cirtuit it?
What do you expect to happen "tomorrow"?
Well, you might have missed the whole lesson.
There are pretty good reasons why you are so emotionally engaged.
So you can not fall asleep easily, and so you are worried,
because accoring to this system of mass exploitation, you,
just like a machine, are "supposed" to get up at the same time
every moring and go do your "duties".
So you are afraid of "falling outside of line" as they call.
You feel threatened. You can not fall asleep and you need
to be fresh the next day so that you can be sucked at the
maximum rate. The more you are worried, the more you can
not fall asleep.
This is a time of tremendous revelations as to the very
nature of who you are and what you do in this situation?
Well, you are trying to short circuit this whole drama
and fall back "in line", just to remain the same bio-robot.
What is the life experience is all about then?
Try to see that fear.
Try to see that enxiety.
Try to trust your own being
and the nature of your very essense.
>(e) To preserve energy: Even if none of the above occurs, the
> hypothalamus has an internal biological clock to mandate
> the 'wake' and 'sleep' cycle. It is normally coincide with
> the 'day' and 'night' cycle to preserve energy when there is
> nothing to do.
This is just trying to fit something into something else.
Very shallow indeed.
Again, you are considering different subsystems and mechanisms
of your body as some ultimate arbiteur, like they were some
kind of entities, separate in themselves, and they are not.
They are but a part of the "equasion".
Again, every little cell within your body posesses what you
know as consciousness, cooperating, communicating with other
cells and conducting the most intricate and highly intelligent
acts to facilitate your entire body.
> In modern society this biological clock is often disturbed by
> the artificial light. Many young people stay up all night
> dancing until cases a-d arises.
Well, could it be is because your socieities are rotten to the core.
If the young beings can not find peace during the day to enjoy
themselves without being condemned, disturbed, judged or violated
and are instead trying to enjoy themselves when these violent
other people are asleep and can not possibly interfere,
then your entire world has simply gone mad.
Could be pretty beneficial.
> We still have a lot to learn in this subject.
Oh, we haven't even began the REAL thing as yet.
Still running like mad towads to global self anihilation.
> Again, thanks for the excellent dialog!