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Comparing animal's and human brians

Cijadrachon cijadra at zedat.fu-berlin.de
Wed May 26 20:26:09 EST 1999


(...skip...)

I was more joking on that we are animals and that our mammals
ancestors quite a bitsy back before we turned mammals were already
WHOs.

Not so much on that we are some ape sort.

>> >That "animal" is human's predecessor.
>> Which animal when exactly at what brain areas development stage
>> maybe possible to be compared to which in a human embryo?

I did not really expect neuros to gor for that one, 
and also I did post something in here once where on a level I
expressed my own theories about that.

Guess till someone else comes up with something better
those will be it for me.

Not that I really bothered to recall that stuff all till now,
but I recall that at that time I had been contemplating some such
stuff rather seriously.

I also know from the silence that followed there that folks here were
neither out for contradicting nor for saying that those were main
markers in the development towards some of the human animal's usual
current capacities.

>Jared Diamond (in _The Third Chimpanzee_)

Leafed through some pages in someone elses place.
Interesting.  
Tends to tempt me into contemplations to what extent one could teach
what Carlos Castaneda calls "seeing" to some of our closer relatives,
though if I were stinking rich and not mind that it might be wrong and
have a go at that, I might prefer to try with bonobos.

>Although there is some molecular closeness, how comparable are humans and
>chimps neuroanatomically speaking? 

Why don't you get to know some well, then kill them, stick their
brains on your living room table(s) and floor
and find out?

And I guess molecular for me is a few levels too big or too small.
Sort of the size in between where it is hard to perceive.

>Is there enough divergence to warrant a taxonomic wedge being driven between us and our hairy relatives? Food for
>thought...
 
Which food? Taxonomic seems not on the internal English voc list in my
head, and I know enough human hairy ones.
Ever seen pictures of embryos before the hair is there, like 4 months
old? Looks pretty alike in a lot.

Guess with a lot of the hairy and more remote feathery relatives we
are perceiving each other and then decide about our relations.

So if a swan or a horse are asking me something in their ways, it
might depend on my answer what distances are (not) kept between us.

If I interrupt the conversation with a human friend to communicate to
a swan mother that I am not going to eat her young she might let them
on land about a meter close to me. 
If I would not assure her a few times at the right times that that is
going to be O.K. she might not even let them several meters away
closer to my range.

It might also be that I do not like a swan and the swan not me.

A mammal or bird person tends to not be exactly like the next,
and I guess part of the wedges depend on such.
Magicians as far as recollection goes back have been going into
telepathic perceiving links with mammal and bird remote relatives.
Sense censored Westies and the Frankensteins would rather cut an
eyenerve of another person than look out through it.
Like the difference between a prisoner in a cage 
declared an it  & a possession 
and a friend.

>~the gecko has spoken~
How do they communicate?

>---Share what you know.

Rather not 
for a lot.

> Learn what you don't.---
O-oh, the universe 
might just be a wee itsibitsy too big and complex,
my life just a little bit too short 
and me ways too lazy for that.



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