Kevin Kunz wrote:
>Happy Dog wrote:
> Kevin Kunz wrote:
>> > Happy Dog wrote:
> >
> > > I was referring to this: "effects the proprioceptors which act on reiterative patterns
> > > throughout the body to information share new information" Please explain...
> >
> > The body has an imaging system.
>> Evidence of this? Where does it reside and how does it interface with the outside world?
Body positioning is a very important part of survival. Sensory receptors are keyed to messages
coming from the outside world. You need imaging to interpret what is a threat and to relay that
information to all body parts for integrated responses. In other words you need to not only know
what the visual image of the threat ( example the saber toothed tiger) but also an image of what is
under foot to make your exit. Imaging is not just visual but also involves the stretch of muscle,
angulation of joints and deep pressure on the bottom of the feet. Imagine running across a log to
lose the saber toothed tiger. that isn't just a visual exercise. It involves stereognosis or
knowledge gained through manipulation.
> > When a challenge or a threat comes from the outside the body
> > has to interpret that signal. Proprioceptors are sensitive gauges that detect the angulation
> > of joints, stretch of muscle and deep pressure to the bottom of the feet.
>> What does this have to do with the preceding sentence? How does this "deep pressure" aid the
> body in interpreting the "signal"?
Deep pressure is important to body positioning. How can you tell you are upright with your eyes
closed? Why don't you fall down when you stand up? What is all this organization going on and how
does deep pressure contribute?
>>> > Reiterative
> > patterns are established throughout the brain to share this information. On a conscious level
> > it is in the sensory/ motor cortex. The cerebellum also appears to have reiterative patterns
> > to interpret subconscious information. That is why I call it an information sharing system.
> > The foot is to me a type of homunculi (little man) or repeated pattern.
>> This is so far off the mark of any understood psychological biology that I wonder if it was just
> made up. Is there a any brain researchers who can make sense out of this? The foot as
> homunculus?
The foot as a homunculus is my own invention. But there was a very clever ad a few years ago that
made the argument that the foot was a part of the brain. If there are repeated patterns throughout
the brain (homunculi) why can body parts such as the feet be homunculi as well. Think about it. Why
wouldn't a redundant nervous system also share its body image with its external sensors? Makes
sense. Especially since feet and hands interface directly with the environment.
>>> >
> > > No it's not. Your statement says that the foot is a very important part of the
> > > information sharing network. Compared to what? There is nothing that I'm aware of in
> > > neurology that states that the foot is central to the distribution of nerve impulses.
> > > Please provide a cite.
> >
> > Well if you look at the homunculi in the sensory/motor cortex the foot has a central and
> > rather large representation. Compared to the trunk which is short and not very well
> > represented. Guyton's textbook defines proprioception as the angulation of joints, stretch of
> > muscles and deep pressure to the bottom of the feet. I'll get you a reference but I must
> > admit that definition stopped my eye. Why name the feet? Locomotion?
>> But no connection to diagnosing illness or healing same. This is pure misappropriation of
> irrelevant facts. Again, you claim that the references which back your claims are found in
> STANDARD neurology textbooks. Please show me where.
Function of the Human Body-Guyton, Basic Human Physiology- Guyton, Foundation of Physiological
Psychology- Thompson, Languages of the Brain-Karl Pribram and Neurophychology: the Study of the
brain and Behavior. There others.
You misquoted me. I did not say that you can diagnosis with reflexology. However, if the right
statistical analysis was done it might show that precursors would be evident proir to a disease
state. Stop twisting the facts.
>>> > > > Don't know that one but again it is all in the standard texts.
> > >
> > > This is in standard texts?: "In essence a new message such as pressure to the bottom of
> > > the feet breaks up existing stress patterns and reformulates the adaptive mechanisms."
> > > What standard text did you pull that from? This is Earth, right?
> >
> > What you asked is where I get my stuff. All of it is from Tierra Firma. Sensory messages send
> > a new message into the system. Because of our survival mechanism a sensory message that is of
> > a certain volume must be interpreted. Thus the stress or tension pattern is altered when
> > exposed to new stimuli.
>> You claim that this nonsense is textbook neurology. I ask "On what planet"? I still await your
> reference to my post above, taken from the "standard texts".
Earth. I imagine you will actually run out and read these books. What you just quoted is more
standard than you imagine. But then you blunder on anyway.
>>> > > > Why make claims. That is for salesmen. Research is to test the medical applications of
> > > > reflexology. It is a work in progress. Jury is still out. What's your hurry?
> > >
> > > Why do research if there are no claims? And you DO make claims: "But then again I have
> > > recently worked with a situation that may make me change my position. It had to do with
> > > the "flesh eating bacteria"." You are claiming to have witnessed something. I'm in a
> > > hurry to figure out what, exactly you're trying to say.
> >
> > What I am saying is the only claim is that reflexology works in the nervous system. I am not
> > making a claim in relationship to the situation of "flesh eating bacteria." It simply altered
> > my perception of what reflexology could do. It was my assumption that reflexology wasn't
> > particularly good with a virus and bacteria.
>> "works in the nervous system" to do what? Quit dancing around the issue here and state you
> claims.alter the gamma efferent nervous system and to shift the homeostatic balance
Reflexology acts on homeostasis. It changes the tone in the body. It is a reflexive response to
pressure. Simple enough?
>>> > My nephew came down with the "flesh eating bacteria." He was in intensive care for most of
> > his 23 days in the hospital. I worked on him everyday and a lot of the time twice a day. He
> > came out without an permanent damage. Was it the reflexology that made the difference? I
> > don't know. But it seem to provide a lifeboat to keep him going while other things took
> > effect. Two died of the same thing while he was in. I think that it deserves research.
>> Tooth fairies deserve research. But they are as laughable a subject as reflexology. You use
> anecdotes like above to suggest that this utterly unproved and highly improbable treatment may
> have contributed to a narcotizing fascitis cure and then suggest more research is needed. Why
> not stand outside a different hospital every day and mutter some secret words and then note that
> many people are getting better. And then suggest research into that.
> hd
What is this babble? You asked me what changed my mind. It was this episode. Make light or make
fun. It is a life you are trivializing. I hope it never happens to yours.
I know that reflexology will be proven to be a logical and factually based system. Research is
important to confirming what we reflexologists already know is truth. We as humans respond to
stimulus through our reflexes. This you can't deny. Whether programmed stimulus can change the
course of disease remains to be tested.
You haven't present one fact nor one piece of research to contradict what I have stated. You use
smoke and mirrors to hide your ignorance of the nervous system. The research confirming reflexology
as an important contribution to health is there. But you already know everything. Why budge from
your coach to go find it? Remember a good skeptic examines the facts first. You haven't.
Kevin Kunz
http://www.reflexology-research.com