John wrote in message <933297360.577273 at server.australia.net.au>...
>>Ken Collins wrote in message ...
>>John wrote in message <933239328.268780 at server.australia.net.au>...
>>>>>>Ken Collins wrote in message <#q3p8yX2#GA.276 at cpmsnbbsa05>...
>>>>>>and what's this about "your 'slaying me'"?
>>>>is that something you've been working to do?
>>>You're way off on the HM thing.
i stand on what i've posted.
>You just had it wrong
i stand on what i've posted.
>and I can tolerate
>mistakes but I depise intellectual dishonesty and have a reputation amongst
>friends for savagely attacking those I feel have overstepped the mark
instead of babbling on, go for whatever 'jugular' you imagine 'exists'.
>I can
>assure that will never change if you want to learn at least learn fast you
>must have a thick skin and cop some knocks stop wearing you're heart on
your
>sleeve we'll just eat it.
you are welcome to "have a taste of my 'thick skin'". any 'time' you wish to
do so, John.
>>Not working to do, here we go again ... . I was beginning to see a pattern
>but you just fell right into it Ken, even before I did a thing.
>"Depersonalised": we are posters here, not people.
John, if i 'knee-jerked' to every nuance that 'posters post', i'd be running
around in circles, at the whim of 'posters' who'd have me as their 'dog on a
leash'... if you Love Science, and your 'reputation among friends' is as you
suggest, you'd weep if you saw how exactly-well i've been 'educated' with
respect to such.
>Okay, that's rough,
not at all... it's all the Jackass 'circulartiy', in the face of folks'
suffering-greatly, that's 'rough'.
>but I
>think people get my drift. I just can't be bothered anymore.
imagine my own Obligation re. same... i've no 'option'... there's no 'off'
button available to me... sure, i could 'move away from', but that'd be
'moving toward' augmented suffering on the parts of folks who already
suffer-greatly... so, i do what 'moves toward' the inverse of such... there'
s no 'option'... and, you know, it isn't the work that's the 'bother'...
it's that i understand that, yes, i'll rile-up "The Beast" in it's ravaging
of innocent victims who've gone-on, 'merrily'-blind to what they've been
doing at the behest of Abstract Ignorance.
it's a classic 'double-bind'... only thing is, it's easy to discern where
the greatest tragedy is.
>>>>you didn't 'just throw up posts'. you selected posts that coincided with
>>NDT's stuff... i'm flattered, actually, that it seems =someone= knows
>enough
>>about NDT do do something like that.
CLARIFICATION:
my 'feeling' is better-described as 'encouraged'.
>>>This is exactly my point. I looked at your AoK, some things in it aren't
>bad, but it ain't nothing revelatory.
clearly, then, you do not yet understand.
>I was going to give it another shot
>but my brain just doesn't want to go back there
of course not... as is explained in AoK, Ap10, the way the brain
automatically processes information tends to mitigate against the brain's
comprehending the way it processes information... NDT's stuff is available,
though, to the degree that the 'automatic pilot' is comprehended, and it's
dictates transcended... there's no 'mystery' in-it... just requires the
correlated work.
> and I suspect a number here
>have given you the benefit of the doubt and are now in the same position as
>myself. We've looked at it but don't want to go back there. It is
>preposterous to demand that others listen, you have to make them listen.
i don't 'demand'... i state the facts, and describe the 'consequences', on
=both= 'sides' of the understanding... then i let folks Choose.
do you think i don't understand what's inherent... i do. that i do is what's
underpinned all of my offers to meet wuietly to transfer the understanding
to others, and then just 'go away'.
i 'demand' nothing.
what i do is 'just' the opposite of 'demanding'. if you understood NDT's
stuff, you'd see the same thing clearly... the need to Guard Free Will.
>>>>>meanwhile, let me get this straight... you're asserting that you just
>dumped
>>random stuff in the form of your posts?
>>>Exactly,
i remain totally-incredulous.
>but you confabulate,
it's verified that i do not.
>you find something.
if there's something to be 'found', i usually do 'find' it.
>I hardly remember anything
>about NDK but you saw it,
i've never discussed 'NDK'.
>you thought you knew what I was doing.
Honestly, John, all i thought was as i've described it.
my first reaction was that you'd stepped-forward to Courageously 'break the
impasse'.
but as i read the refs cited, it became clear that there was a
particularly-good correlation to NDT's stuff, and that, to assess further
would require months of running-around-in-circles.
seeing that i'd no 'timely' way to differentiate between 'hoax' or
'plagerism' (i didn't see any refs to AoK or NDT), it was clear that the
matter needed to be laid-out in the 'light of day', and i did so.
>I hadn't
>noticed it til a while ago because you're killfiled but I turned the filter
>off recently. You are truly a god, you create things out of nothing.
it's just that you see only little-'snippets' of the stuff that i integrate
into the whole... to overcome this "little-'snippet'-ness" is the main
reason that i ask for an in-person presentation opportunity... such'd allow
everything to be 'filled-in' completely.
>I was
>thinking of COP with the mirror post and that's all I was thinking of if
you
>look at that post it was addressed to Ron Blue how on earth did you get the
>idea that I was posting with reference to NDK I don't even know what it
>means.
i know not 'NDK.
in my reply, i was talking about what i was talking about, not particularly
'caring' what was in your mind while writing the post.
it's always this way because i've learned that it has to be this way...
through experienced gained at the hands of folks who've 'endeavored',
unscrupulously.
>>Seriously, your head is in big trouble. Go away, have a long think or
>something. In my personal life no-one gets away with such outright
>contradictions, it is simply not tolerated in normal society.
you've not described any 'contradictions'. please do so, as mercilessly as
you choose to do so.
>If you cannot
>see where you are contradicting yourself then I must conclude that you see
>the world in a way entirely different from that generally agreed upon here.
like i said, although you 'accuse' me of 'contradicting my self', you do not
describe any such 'contradiction', and despite the rest of what you've said,
i don't guess.
what i do is explore the possibilities, and describe the stuff i find while
'exploring'... as in, the fact that, with respect to the refs you've cited,
i've no way of distinguishing between hoax and plagerism, nor any way to
distinguish between 'positive' and'negative' intentions on your part... i'll
not 'put words' into your fingers... you'll note that i've only described
the possibilities that i've taken note of...
i have described the more-encompassing aspects of the analysis i've done.
i've said that Forgiveness is =The Thing=.
but it's clear to me that Forgiveness, with respect to anything, is not
possible when the thing is still actively unfolding.
perhaps you should check out the well-spring of that which you refer to as
'my' 'contradiction'... 'look in the mirror, Tommy'?
>If you want to play maverick genius then you better thicken that hide of
>yours because for someone who complains about having suffered so much you
>have a very thin skin.
as is verified elsewhere, although i understand that it must seem otherwise
to others, i've only-rarely discussed anything with respect to myself...
when there was a need to do so... when i talk of folks' suffering greatly,
i'm talking with respect to folks other than me.
>>I will now return to my former state (you're killfiled, I'll look when
>thread flow demands it). If you show some radical transformation ....
i expect i won't... it's in my 'heart' to just do what needs to be done...
as i've already discussed, my read is that there are some folks who're
'endeavoring' to 'manipulate' everything to their own ends... it's
'old-long-since' that i've been trying to admonish them not to 'endeavor' in
this way... 'still, it moves'.
>but it
>seems to me that you'll now happily rely on outright intellectual
>dishonesty.
educate me with respect to specifics.
>You are therefore the enemy, that which must be attacked
attack at will.
>until
>it learns to play the game properly.
it's a Certainty that i'll not Learn to "play any 'games'".
>Unfortunately this is the usenet,
>there's no door to throw you out.
yeah, but there =is= a 'door' that i continue to hold open for folks.
the 'cost' of traveling through such is Truth... =not=, if you haven't
noticed, with respect to me [although i fully-disclosed myself to Fair
Witnesses, long ago]... i've released folks with respect to myself... it
doesn't matter anymore... my Children will never be born, and i've no use
for any 'dividends'...
...but with respect to Science... with respect to Truth, itself.
Sincerely, K. P. Collins
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