In article <379909bd.863792 at news.demon.co.uk>, malcolm at pigsty.demon.co.uk (Malcolm McMahon) wrote:
>On Fri, 23 Jul 1999 01:15:01 GMT, Bloxy's at hotmail.com (Bloxy's) wrote:
>>In article <37ac6f14.44643483 at news.demon.co.uk>, malcolm at pigsty.demon.co.uk> (Malcolm McMahon) wrote:
>>>On Thu, 22 Jul 1999 13:30:24 -0400, "Ken Collins" <KPaulC at email.msn.com>
>>>wrote:
>>>>it's not 'AI' if it cannot direct its own learning in creative ways... as
>>>>soon as the machines are imbued with such, they're on their own.
>>>Learning, like all inteligent activity, is goal directed. And we set the
>>>goals.
>>Pure illusion.
>Expand a little. You don't think learning is goal directect. So what
>actually motivates it?
"Goal directed" interpretation is ONLY applicable
to the most rudimentary and mechanical level of KNOWN.
If you already know the "goal", then there is nothing to learn.
The goal is already known.
Yes, you can learn the trick to become like someone else
in order to perform some mechanical manipulatioins
in order to "survive".
But that is not learning, but TRAINING.
>Why do we learn? To better serve our fundamental goals, I'd say.
And the goals are UNIVERSALLY valid?
Are they objectively identifiable
especially in the context of learning?
Then there must be a universal set of goals,
applicable to ALL individuals.
In "real life", the goals of one person are simply
stupidity to another, or just uterly uninteresting.
The goal is in the future.
If that goal is defined,
then there is no learning as such.
There is only copying of someone else's experiences,
views and beliefs.
Learning is subjective and corresponds to the craving
and the needs of a given individual.
There is no universal system of learning, ALL individuals
ARE to learn, in order to become "good", or whatever you
invent as a moral judgement at the end.
What you call learning is brain conditioning.
> So an
>AI learns the better to serve the purpose for which it was directed
At least you specified the "purpose for which it was directed".
Some progress.
> just
>as we learn the better to pursue the goals that society and our genes
>have set for us.
The purpose of society is not to manufacture the "goal"
for ALL to follow, as the only thing you will achieve with this
approach is mass manufacturing of bio-robots,
trained to behave according to a limited set of instructions.
>There are no goals inherent in pure inteligence.
First of all, you can not even define "unpure" intelligence.
What is "pure" intelligence?
> They have to be supplied from outside.
"Goals" need to be supplied from the outside?
You know what you got here?
A model of fascist society.
Utter control, opression and domination.
Nothing else.
The rest is simply dead.
