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Proof that ants are conscious?

gorbeh_angela2109 at my-deja.com gorbeh_angela2109 at my-deja.com
Tue Jul 20 04:42:05 EST 1999


Dear Readers

If your heart is conscious then what's matter
with your brain if it's not conscious!!


In article <19990714125229.24504.00000080 at ng-
ca1.aol.com>,
  orfnugen6 at aol.com (ORFNUGEN6) wrote:
> Intelligence, plasticity of behavior, free will,
> memory, memory recall, all have zero to do
> with consciousness.
>
> I would say it is possible, but dubious that
> worms and bees are conscious.  We know we
> are conscious.  We don't believe our spine
> is conscious even though it reacts to stimuli.
> We don't believe our eyes, feet, fingers or
nerves
> are conscious eventhough they are living,
> reproducing cells.  Obviously, consciousness is
> produced by some part of our brain. ***We don't
> believe our autonomic brain is conscious.***  We
> don't believe we are concious during non-REM
> sleep.  So the part of our brain that is off
> during non-REM sleep is the part of our brain
> that is responsible for consciousness.  If
> we saw a human that did not have this part
> of the brain we would say this human is
> not conscious and not even alive.  We
> consider a human to be dead and not
> alive when the conscious part of the brain
> dies.  We take humans off life support even
> if they can breath on their own, if there is
> no hope the conscious part of the brain
> will ever turn on again.  It is entirely
possible
> that worms and bees are organic robots that
> possess no more consciousness than a
> vegetable.  I would say it is even likely that
> this is the case.  In order for a creature
> to be conscious they must possess some
> specialized organ to create it. And we
> know from ourselves that a working brain is
> not enough to produce consciousness. If
> bacteria and trees are conscious then so
> is the autonomic part of our brain, our spine
> and our spleen .
>
> Sincerely yours,
> Orf Nugen
>
>



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