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Eugene Leitl eugene.leitl at lrz.uni-muenchen.de
Mon Jul 19 23:14:45 EST 1999


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Flannel writes:
 > On Mon, 19 Jul 1999 04:13:42 -0700, Steve <rstevew at armory.com> wrote:
 > 
 > >Anyone who thinks they know is not humble. Believers and disbeievers
 > >think they know and say they know. They don't, and they can't, they are
 > >lying.
 > 
 > 
 > In such a general statement, I think "lying" is perhaps too strong of
 > a word.  Basically, because I don't know, I assume others don't
 > either.  I think its called projecting and doesn't make for good
 > logic, nevertheless,  I find myself making the assumption anyway.
 > 
 > <snip>
 > 
 > >Humility is truth. It is the core of the scientific method. Be humble.
 > >Anyone who says that they know, this side of death and for all I know
 > >the other side, is surely foolish. Do what makes sense and feels right
 > >and good, but don't try to justify your life with invented human
 > >malarkey, and that's all there is available besides love and warmth.
 > 
 > I don't know about humility being truth, but I agree that it makes for
 > a good scientific approach.  
 > 
 > As for the rest,  well...here's my problem.  I get tempted to say in a
 > post like this that I know what's right for me, but I don't know
 > what's neccessarily right  for someone else.  But that isn't really
 > accurate.  I don't know what is right for me.  I make the best guess I
 > can but it is just a guess.  My life has been mostly trial and error,
 > and a heck of a whole lot of errors.  It doesn't look like this is
 > going to change anytime soon.  Some of the errors that I have made
 > have been done boldly and rashly.  But I don't neccessarily regret
 > them.  Not that I learned a whole lot from them, but I have found
 > these experiences to be just as relevant as any other action of mine.
 > That is, I find them just as neccessary for my happiness and
 > contentment as well-planned and executed successes.
 > 
 > 
 > >
 > >The only justification for your life that makes sense is what is written
 > >upon your heart before the foundation of the world. You can't count on
 > >it being in books intact, and you will find it in many more and
 > >different books than supposed 'holy" books. The important thing is this,
 > >that it is inside you, and that YOU are what validates it when you see
 > >it and it makes sense. The book is just dead plants and is as often
 > >wrong. Your "heart" is the ultimate authority because you have to live
 > >there.
 > 
 > In the past, I have written stuff like you have above, and I will
 > probably do so again in the future.  But sometimes, and this is one of
 > them, I think it is just a bunch of meaningless dribble.  Consistancy
 > is importatant in many areas, but I don't know and don't think its
 > possible in many other areas.  Now there is a good chance that I am
 > wrong on this, but I think it is improbable and even undesireable that
 > a person could go through life considering the same things important
 > all through it or though the bulk of it.  
 > >
 > >Atheism that rejects the feudal monarch model of "God" is fine, as that
 > >was clearly only an economic despotism. 
 > 
 > I don't agree that it was "only" economic despostism.  
 > 
 > >But if that's all it is it
 > >remains in the dark ages. Profound atheist materialism looks like
 > >somebody wasn't paying attention very well to how very strange it is to
 > >exist at all and to feel you are you. Why is that required at all?
 > >And what in the world does it imply?
 > 
 > I'm not exactly sure of what you mean by "profound atheist
 > materialism."    But to question why we or anything exists at all or
 > to feel you are you is quite an activity.  It sometimes feels like I
 > am the only person who finds existance to be strange but I think that
 > it only feels that way because such thoughts are so hard to
 > articulate.  Individual human isolation makes it hard to articulate
 > what individual human isolation is.  Accurate scientific description
 > of it makes life appear ....well....dull and lifeless.
 > 
 > Which brings me back to my post to Okamura:
 > 
 > "The tao that is spoken is not the actual tao."
 > 
 > (I'm going to have to go and find the actual quote one of these days.)
 > 
 > 
 > >Be gentle with each other.
 > >-Steve
 > 
 > 
 > 
 > Flannel
 > -----------
 > I have a deep distrust of anyone who is not insecure.
 >                                         Roger A. Bird  
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