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Flannel flannel at mindless.com
Sat Jul 17 20:52:57 EST 1999


On Sat, 17 Jul 1999 18:21:00 -0500, "Dan Fake"
<danfake at worldnet.att.net> wrote:

>Flannel wrote in message <37910484.153725452 at news.prodigy.net>...
>How did you get into my head? You must have read the links
>I provided. Aside from the coward and crap words, you came
>close. Care to share with us what your views on agnosticism 
>are? Please don't tell me you're of the opinion that agnosticism is 
>the superior intellectual and logical position over believers and 
>disbelievers but if that's your position, so be it.

Well the crap was my word, but the "coward" came from one of your
posts.  One of the urls you gave read "agnosticism = coward".  It
appeared to be a spin on the "agnostics are gutless atheists" that we
get in alt.agnosticism from time to time.

As far as agnosticism being intellectually superior, how would I know?
I'm an agnostic.  Agnostics are ignorant.  For myself, I choose the
terms agnostic and agnosticism because they appear to be the most
accurate terms to describe me and my outlook.  

Agnostic and atheist can be overlapping terms.    I know weak atheist
that state that they are also technically agnostic and agnostics that
state that they are technically weak atheist.  Their viewpoints seem
to be nearly identical with the main difference being the label they
choose to call themselves.   I'm not going to quibble over labels.

Personally, I don't know if there is a god or not.  As to whether it
is likely there is a god, that depends on what kind of god you are
talking about.  Are you talking about the old gods that were numerous
and fallible, or the western version of god that is singular,
omnipotent, etc; or one of those fairly new definitions of god such as
"god is the sum total of the universe" or "god is collective of
physical laws that determine the universe?"  God is a vague term and
agnostic is flexible enough term to answer it.   I use it because it
is a useful term that addresses more than just god.  I use the term to
mean that I don't see the big picture.  Is there a big picture?
Soliphicism could be correct as far as I know.  

 I don't use agnostic to portray some logical superiority, I use it to
attempt an accurate portrayal of ignorance. I don't have the big
answers.  I don' trust anyone who claims to have the big answers.  I
live in ignorance, not because of choice, but IMHO, ignorance is our
inherent state.  Any thing and possibly everything that I might think
could be wrong.  That, to me, is agnosticism.

Flannel
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                                        Roger A. Bird  



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