In article <7mq7ok$2i8$1 at bgtnsc01.worldnet.att.net>,
"Dan Fake" <danfake at worldnet.att.net> wrote:
> Ken Collins wrote in message ...
> >Dan Fake wrote in message <7mpvjm$4o4$1 at bgtnsc01.worldnet.att.net>...
> >
> >[...]
> >
> >>Is there a god or gods? Why are it/they silent and invisible?
> >
> >why are folks 'blind' to the visibility?
>> Please explain. I can't see it/them/her/him/thing/thingies called
> god or gods - by what definition are you referring to? Certainly,
> you accept that all life on earth is a natural process which evolved
> over billions of years, don't you? Certainly you accept the concept
> of dramatic changes to the earth environment yielding major and
> dramatic changes in life forms and mass extinctions on rather
> regular intervals in the history of our planet, don't you? You were
> saying . . .
>> >> Why is there so much suffering in the world?
> >
> >because folks'd rather murder one another... murder their own
Children...
> >than do the work required to understand... absent such work, folks
inflict
> >suffering upon one another. (note, such also applies with respect to
natural
> >disasters, with respect to which, we could all become increasingly
more safe
> >if it weren't the case that folks opt for mere convenience in
planning and
> >manufacturing.
>> So, murder, you're saying, is beyond it/them/her/him/thing/thingies
(your
> god's or gods') ability or desire to stop. Natural disasters, you're
saying,
> are beyond it/them/her/him/thing/thingies (your god's or gods')
ability or
> desire to stop. Things you left off: disease, suffering, pain,
insanity,
> plagues, a supposed hell or oblivion for most of humankind,
basically,
> every downside of human and animal existence, is beyond it/them/her/
> him/thing/thingies (your god's or gods') ability or desire to stop.
>> Thanks for clearing that up for us, the fact
it/them/her/him/thing/thingies
> (your god or gods) is/are = nothing or nature or
it/them/her/him/thing/
> thingies (your god or gods) is an immoral and reprehensible creature
> or creatures unworthy of worship and certainly a creature or creatures
> any moral human should be ashamed of and fearful of spending eternity
> with, eh?
>> >>Why must blind faith/belief be the cornerstone of merit by which an
> >> eternal fate is decided?
> >
> >there's no 'must' involved. that it's been the case hase everything
to do
> >with prejudice toward ignorant speculation having been
perpetuated... it's
> >not only been science that's failed to "move toward" understanding
in favor
> >of opting for mere information-processing 'convenience'.
>> So, we stopped advancing as a species when the christ myth took hold
and
> since the advance of science and knowledge (said advance despite the
worst
> efforts of the christians in power in Europe during the dark ages),
we're
> merely becoming better at processing information but no closer to
truth?
> I strongly disagree. Religious myth yields ignorance and fear.
Advances of
> science and efforts to find truth in this life yields acceptance of
reality and
> efforts to deal with life from a basis of logic and reason and
responsibility.
>> -Dan Fake, Atheist #1468 - Freethinker #2b - Humanist #2b2
>> >
> >[...]
> >
> >ken collins
>>I think the common answer is that God gave free will, and as a result
stays his hand. Certainly not something people do.
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