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Dan Fake danfake at worldnet.att.net
Sat Jul 17 10:39:14 EST 1999


Ken Collins wrote in message ...
>Dan Fake wrote in message <7mpvjm$4o4$1 at bgtnsc01.worldnet.att.net>...
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>>Is there a god or gods? Why are it/they silent and invisible?
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>why are folks 'blind' to the visibility?

Please explain. I can't see it/them/her/him/thing/thingies called
god or gods - by what definition are you referring to? Certainly,
you accept that all life on earth is a natural process which evolved
over billions of years, don't you? Certainly you accept the concept
of dramatic changes to the earth environment yielding major and
dramatic changes in life forms and mass extinctions on rather
regular intervals in the history of our planet, don't you? You were
saying . . .

>> Why is there so much suffering in the world?
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>because folks'd rather murder one another... murder their own Children...
>than do the work required to understand... absent such work, folks inflict
>suffering upon one another. (note, such also applies with respect to natural
>disasters, with respect to which, we could all become increasingly more safe
>if it weren't the case that folks opt for mere convenience in planning and
>manufacturing.

So, murder, you're saying, is beyond it/them/her/him/thing/thingies (your 
god's or gods') ability or desire to stop. Natural disasters, you're saying, 
are beyond it/them/her/him/thing/thingies (your god's or gods') ability or
desire to stop. Things you left off: disease, suffering, pain, insanity, 
plagues, a supposed hell or oblivion for most of humankind, basically, 
every downside of human and animal existence, is beyond it/them/her/
him/thing/thingies (your god's or gods') ability or desire to stop. 

Thanks for clearing that up for us, the fact it/them/her/him/thing/thingies 
(your god or gods) is/are = nothing or nature or it/them/her/him/thing/
thingies (your god or gods) is an immoral and reprehensible creature
or creatures unworthy of worship and certainly a creature or creatures
any moral human should be ashamed of and fearful of spending eternity 
with, eh?
 
>>Why must blind faith/belief be the cornerstone of merit by which an 
>> eternal fate is decided?
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>there's no 'must' involved. that it's been the case hase everything to do
>with prejudice toward ignorant speculation having been perpetuated... it's
>not only been science that's failed to "move toward" understanding in favor
>of opting for mere information-processing 'convenience'.

So, we stopped advancing as a species when the christ myth took hold and
since the advance of science and knowledge (said advance despite the worst
efforts of the christians in power in Europe during the dark ages), we're 
merely becoming better at processing information but no closer to truth? 
I strongly disagree. Religious myth yields ignorance and fear. Advances of
science and efforts to find truth in this life yields acceptance of reality and 
efforts to deal with life from a basis of logic and reason and responsibility.

-Dan Fake, Atheist #1468 - Freethinker #2b - Humanist #2b2

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