Yet again you have totally missed all my points. What is it in you that
makes you tow the line? What is it in you that stops you from giving up
each day? A way of thinking? A philosophy perhaps? Why do you not kill
when you want somthing you can kill to get? OHHHhhh no, you are far too
good for philosophies, they tell you nothing.
Cant you see my point about science being a religion?
You are either having a laugh, are terminally deranged or actually onto
somthing. If you had made any intelligent comments I would have said you
were onto somthing, but as it is...
On Fri, 27 Nov 1998, Bloxy's wrote:
> In article <Pine.PCW.3.96.981126134214.2127B-100000 at biolpc38.york.ac.uk>, DM Bolser <dmb106 at york.ac.uk> wrote:
> >
> >
> >On Thu, 26 Nov 1998, Bloxy's wrote:
> >
> >> In article <Pine.PCW.3.96.981124151639.6583B-100000 at biolvig31.york.ac.uk>, DM
> > Bolser <dmb106 at york.ac.uk> wrote:
> >> >
>> Ok, it will be granted.
>> >> >On Sun, 22 Nov 1998, Ray Scanlon wrote:
> >> >
> >> [...]
> >> >
> >> >What about enlightenment? That is the final jump out of the loop.
> >>
> >> Nope. There is nowhere to jump out of.
> >>
> >> > I think
> >> >it is an important concept, and one that should not be sniffed at as
> >> >religious nonsense. Godel proved that no system can describe reality
> >> >completely accurately, so transcending the system is the only way to see the
> >> >truth.
> >>
> >> The very idea of "transcending" is stupid.
> >> It is invented by the priest,
> >> who knows full well, that it is impossible to "transcend" life.
> >> That is how he makes you guilty.
> >> You are trying to "tanscend" the untranscendable,
> >> attempting to jump higher, than your own dick,
> >> your entire life.
> >
> >ER, I don't know how much about eastern mysticism you know, but most of
> >the philosophies they epound are nothing to do with the guilt / opression
> >thing we have going on in the west.
>> Because you are blind.
>> > I freely admit that eastern religion,
> >just like western religion, has a basis in socal controll, but it is in
> >the -get on with it- vein, not in the -you will pay for this- area.
>> Eastern religion sux as good, as western.
> These are all organized cults of sucking.
>> First of all, there is no such a thing as eastern religion.
> There were individuals that contributed significant insights,
> but then came the followers and turned something original
> into a cult of blind following something, nobody is even in
> a condition to comprehend.
>> You see, once you have this holey [with holes] figure,
> it is FASIONABLE to follow.
>> Not that you are ready to see ANYTHING, but you have been
> told that this is the "right" thing to do. So you do it.
> Because you are bound by fear [of survival] and HAVE to do
> what others do, just to be safe, trying to git to the safest
> place to be - the MIDDLE of the herd.
>> You put up religious face and pretend you know the holey
> sucking truth. Your pious fat cheeks tell all about you.
>> > Many main stream eastern religions are just as bad as western
> >ones, like large vehicle budism. But the smaller philosophies are not at
> >all like that, small vehicle budism is a religion without a god.
>> It is either religion or philosophy.
> You are playing with horseshit here at the moment.
>> Larger are "religions" and smaller are what?
> "Philosophies"?
>> Then why are the larger ones are religions?
> What makes it different?
>> Secondly, religion WITH god, or without god, is still the same
> thing: a herd following each other.
> A bunch of blind donkeys.
>> Jesus, Buddha, Mahavir, Patanjali, Socrates, Pythagoras,
> Krishnamurti, Osho, Gurjieff, and many others all stood
> on their own. They were not following ANY religion or
> "philosophy".
>> And so called philosophy is just a mind fuck.
> Never answered a single question on anything.
>> All it can do is to raise new questions.
>> >>
> >> And you KNOW it in the depths of your being.
> >> So all you have left with is guilt,
> >> as you can not "concure" you simpliest motivations,
> >> such as sex and food.
> >>
> >
> >Fukk guilt.
>> Huh?
> You know what you just said?
>> You said you are a blind monkey ass,
> totally incapable of seeing the depth of anything.
>> How can you fuck guilt?
> It is in your blood stream.
> It is in your brain conditioning from the day 1,
> no matter what culture you are from.
>> You think you can fuck it?
> Well, either you have tremendous courage,
> or you are more stupid than a dead cock roaches ass.
>> > that is not what they are about.
>> Who?
>> > A line from the Tow te ching
> >goes -
> >'He who spends all his time in virtue is not virtious, because he spends
> >all his time in virtue.'
>> And what is virtue on the first place, sucker?
>> >It is all about knowing there is right and wrong, and balancing those in
> >your self.
>> And now you really disclose your empty nature.
> "Right" and "wrong"?
>> From whose standpoint?
> For whose [blood sucking] interest?
> According to what heavenly scripture?
> According to what law?
>> What is "right" and what is "wrong"?
> You have ANY clue?
>> Or you are just programmed with this new age horseshit,
> putting up a plastic smile for no other reason but to
> please the others and thus accumulate some credits that
> can be used "in the future"?
>> >> And you see, it is not possible.
> >> That is not the idea on the first place.
> >> You are just standing on your ears,
> >> being surprised why this world looks so strange.
> >>
> >
> >Rationally it is not possible. I know this is the worst kind of argument.
> >You have to play by the logical rules of science, where I can say 'Ahhh
> >but this is above logic' It is the tipical religious response.
>> You can do anything you want.
>> > I am sorry
> >for saying it. BUT, Reality IS above logic.
>> No need to be sorry. Why are you sorry?
> What is this guilt?
> You have this conviction and that is good enough.
> If you can somehow deliver the intuitive insights that
> made it this way for you, that is all you need to "worry"
> about.
>> Why do you have to be sorry?
> Ever thought?
>> Give me some reasons.
>> > Logig is as much of a religion
> >as anything. It is internally consistant, and all the proof for its truth
> >comes from within it. Like the 'proof' of christianity coming from the
> >bible.
>> Bullshit.
> There is no proof of christianity,
> which is nothing but a fear and guilt exploiting global cult.
>> The only proof of "christianity" is jesus,
> the man of courage to know THAT WHICH IS,
> and not driven by the fear of survival,
> like all of you are.
>> But he himself is not a christian, you see.
>> Furthermore, he came to condemn your sucking church,
> as a cunning enterprises of money mongers and guilt
> and fear manipulators.
> But these blood sucking christians created a church
> in his name and made a cult out of it.
>> He says: your churches suck.
> And they say: jesus is our god, which we place in our church
> and use to suck the blood of many, collecting money all day
> long.
>> > We see the bible is just a part of christianity, and ultimate proof
> >at all.
>> Ultimate proof?
>> > It is like this with all systems, Godel prooved it.
> >
> >> Life came from sex.
> >> It is joy at the very roots.
> >> Your entire being is engulfed in tremendous amounts
> >> of energy, reminding you of your intrinsic extacy.
> >
> >So you have never herd of Tantric love? The practice of becoming
> >enlightened via the act of making love. You are really hung up on the
> >'religion says I am bad.' thing.
>> What are you blaboring about tantra?
> Do you have ANY clue of what are you talking about?
> Your stupid ideas exploitation of sex for the purpose
> of making money, and perverting the core ideas of Tantra
> or ANY other insights, are just that, stupid shit.
>> How do you become enlighten via act of making love?
> And what about prostitutes, making love MANY times every
> day, why didn't they get a taste of enlightenment from it?
>> Any idea?
>> Now, Tantra is a tremendously powerful methodology of
> coming in touch with your own being.
> It is tremendously courageous approach, as it deals with
> taboo issues, and not only that, it uses the most condemned
> activity, such as sex, in the most sensitive of all purposes,
> the search of truth.
>> There is a simple observation:
> During the sexual orgasm, the mind stops.
> It happens to everyone, every time we do it,
> but we never pay any attention to it, as we do not
> even suspect that the orgasm may be a door.
>> Tantra takes this single and most powerful technique
> and develops it to the point, where you simply float
> in grace.
>> And you take Tantra and take a shit on mandala,
> while claiming you have a clue about it.
>> >> You keep "transcending" the life itself,
> >> never quite satisfied with the results.
> >> Else why would you even bother about this idea
> >> of "transcending"?
> >>
> >> Why do you need to jump higher, than your own dick?
> >>
> >> Don't you know, that no matter how high you jump,
> >> it will ALWAYS be with you?
> >>
> >:-) That is true, but I think if you read some number theroy, and godels
> >incompleteness therum you would have a better understanding of what I am
> >getting at. Reality exists, but as soon as you try to interpret it /
> >understand it, you miss the point.
>> You read a few religious books of the grade
> of "Zen, the art of sucking blood of others",
> and now you come here and attempt to talk about something,
> of which you have no clue.
>> Better clarify your ideas of "reality",
> cause at the moment all you have is a pile of confusion.
> You read a few books and started imagining something,
> while inevitably you show the blindness on the very central
> issues.
>> Your sword is dull.
> All you can cut with it is shit.
>> >
> >> >Dan.
>>
