DK wrote:
> I just finished reading Penrose's book "Shadows of the Mind", in which
> excatly the type of water brought up by the poster is described thusly:
>> "We might think that water, with its randomly moving molecules, is not a
> sufficiently organized kind of structure for quantum-coherent oscillations
> to be likely to occur. However, the water that is found in cells is not at
> all like the ordinary water that is found in the oceans--disordered, with
> molecules moving about in an incoherent random way.
It stands Proven that there Exist no molecules moving around in an "incoherent
random way"... the closes anything comes is "stochastic"... having a "random
component"... only trouble is that it's Impossible to "isolate" the "random
component".
> Some of it--and it is a
> controversial matter how much--exists in an *ordered* state (sometimes
> referred to as 'vicinal' water; cf. Hamerhof (1987), p. 172). Such an
> ordered state of water may extend some 3 nm or more outwards from
> cytoskeletal surfaces."
This sort of thing is True for =everything= within the Physical Universe, and
is "just" a rehash of pre-existing "local" vs. "action-at-a-distance"
question... everything's "just" energy gradients, with the "slope" of the
gradient depending upon local energy-content... there Exist no "on-and-off"
"places". K. P. Collins