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Hear radar waves

jwill at pacbell.net jwill at pacbell.net
Sat Nov 7 11:03:41 EST 1998


In article <721aq5$579$2 at news2.xs4all.nl>,
  "DK" <cooper17.spamless at xs4all.nl> wrote:
> I just finished reading Penrose's book "Shadows of the Mind", in which
> excatly the type of water brought up by the poster is described thusly:
>
> "We might think that water, with its randomly moving molecules, is not a
> sufficiently organized kind of structure for quantum-coherent oscillations
> to be likely to occur. However, the water that is found in cells is not at
> all like the ordinary water that is found in the oceans--disordered, with
> molecules moving about in an incoherent random way. Some of it--and it is a
> controversial matter how much--exists in an *ordered* state (sometimes
> referred to as 'vicinal' water; cf. Hamerhof (1987), p. 172). Such an
> ordered state of water may extend some 3 nm or more outwards from
> cytoskeletal surfaces."
>
> --Katrina
>

All Penrose seems to be saying, is that water behaves differently
when it is in a microscopic container than when it is in a tumbler.

Noone viewing gravimetric motion in a low-power microscope would
doubt this:  It seems not unreasonable, granting statistical
ordering by continuously decreasing screened field of any
protein's exposed positive charge.

Really, would you consider a gelled colloid, such as Jello, as
being long-range ordered?

Also, what does this have to do with hearing microwaves?  Are
you suggesting long-range-ordered water might somehow allow
matching of the order-length to the mw wavelength?  This
would require transient conductive structures in water
of up to centimeters--maybe possible, but probably not the
mechanism for biological response.

The organ boundaries themselves are structured on the order of
centimeters, so, introduction of "structured water" might not
be necessary to postulate the long-range permittivity
boundaries required for biological response to microwaves.


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