Patanîe Pongpâ wrote:
>> There is a HUGE difference between Flying Saucers(or:M.O.C)in Europe
> and in the United-States.
> In Europe we have nearly no reports of the so-called "abductions".
>> The reason is essentially cultural because "abductions" have been
> created by a money oriented society which sells anything which can be
> swallowed by millions of gullible Americans.
>> There are many scientific reasons which preclude such things as
> abductions by ETI(Extraterrestrials)but these reasons are too complex
> to discuss here and,whatever their rationality,they would not convince
> the purported "abductees" to believe in their fairy tales anyhow.
>> Succubus and incubus have been the historical ancestors of modern days
> "abductees".
>> The first scientist who suggested that many of the
> "close-encounters",etc,with M.O.C were related to dream and sleep was
> astrophysicist Dr Jean-Pierre Guérin of the Institut
> d'Astrophysique,boulevard Arago,Paris,France,in the I970's.
>> As a proficient "conscious dreamer" I have been able to observe,in
> states which are intermediates between the waking state and
> sleep,consciouness states which could,easily,be misinterpreted by
> laymen full of Flying Saucers ideas in their head as anything
> extraordinary.
>> Such states of consciousness involve the blockade of motor efferents
> with a partial awakening.
>> When we sleep and dream our CNS blocks motor efferents so we are
> prevented to experience what we experience in the
> dream(endoreality)within exoreality.
>> For example,if I am walking in a dream the motor zones of my CNS which
> activate my legs are as fully active as if I were awake.
> To prevent me from walking while sleeping(a potentially catastrophic
> thing!)evolution has invented a neural mechanism(which I call the
> S.B.E.M)which blocks motor efferents.
>> This has been well studied and delineated by the famous sleep
> researcher,Dr Jouvet,in Lyon,France.
>> It happens,sometimes,that we wake up while the SBEM is still active
> and not disconnected.
> The result of this is that we regain a complete or more or less
> complete awareness of reality while we are completely paralysed in our
> bed!
>> This experience is often anxiogenic.
>> For example I can "wake up" while still feeling paralysed and
> experience auditory or visual dream hallucinations related to my fear.
>> For example once I walked up but still was paralysed and I "heard"
> "someone" opening my door and I could feel the "presence" of the
> "intruder" just next to the door(typical oneiric experience,by the
> way!).
>> As I was not totally awake I was convinced someone had opened the door
> and would come to us(my wife and I)to harm us.
> So I shouted in the dream because I knew I was paralysed and I wanted
> to totally wake up.
>> My voice could nearly not go out as I felt my mouth also paralysed.
> Then,finally,I woke up!
> And,of course,nobody had entered our appartment!
>> It was only a half-dream.
>> When you are in this kind of state the fear
> brings,AUTOMATICALLY,memories of what you fear...
>> So if you are ruminating about M.O.C then you might very well dream
> your flying saucer and its ETI !!!
>> It is as simple as that.
>> What has made this sleep phenomenon an irrational debacle is the
> generally low level of education of average citizens in the
> US,combined with a high degree of gullibility and naivete,all this
> flavoured with these stupid histories of "ufonauts" tales,books,etc.
>> Certainly if the media would have not publicised this
> misinterpretation and fuel it with absolutey grotesque movies,such as
> the "X-Files",and similar series made for 7 years old kids,then we
> would not have this "abduction" hysteria in the US !
>> We do not have "abductions" in France or nearly none!
>> Why?
> Not because the ETI like to abduct US citizens and not French but
> because our culture is different,less hollywoodian,more on the
> Earth...
>> French are more down to earth,less gullible,and not so much prone to
> mass hysteria!
>> So,M.O.C,that is Flying Saucers,do not come and "abduct" French while
> they sleep!!!!
Patanie,
As you can see from the other replies to your post, anyone questioning
the Abductee Myth is generally treated with hostility around here.
Welcome to the club. I hope you have a thick skin.
In the true spirit of rational discourse, Lorne Gilsig & JrgEmm are
already attacking your nationality. You, of course, had the temerity to
question our nation's educational system and our pre-occupation with
sci-fi fantasy like the X-Files. (How dare you!) I do agree with you
somewhat. Americans are losing their ability to think critically. This
phenomenon is worldwide, however. Much of the Ufo Experiencer Mythology
has its origins in Europe, e.g. Billy Meier, UMMO, etc.
As for Chkcorea, he says:
>"The evidence on the side of the abductees is too overwelming
and you can't handle it, it scares you, so you throw things back
like sleep paralysis and Succubus and Incubus and it's CRAP!"<
Evidence? All we have on our side is reems and reems of legitimate,
scholarly research into sleep paralysis, false memories, folklore, and
therapist/patient contamination. They have "mysterious scars,"
"implants," "lost time," and other really cool stuff to fuel the
imagination. (Oh, I'm so scaaaaared. Please don't come and abduct me,
Mr Gray Alien ...)
Isn't it funny how the only people abducted are people who believe
(or come to believe) in the phenomonen? How come the big bad aliens
don't abduct skeptics like James Randi, Martin Gardner, Phil Klass,
Robert Schaeffer, Curtis Peebles, Joe Nickel, Michael Schermer, Robert
Baker or Elizabeth Loftus? But then again, that would "reveal" their
presence, wouldn't it, and the aliens want to stay concealed, don't
they. How convenient.
I hope you continue posting despite the slings and arrows.
