In article <ks5ziLAt64QzEwzT at bnclib.demon.co.uk>,
Diane Pritchatt <diane at bnclib.demon.co.uk> wrote:
>>I have to say that I think in reality such a possibility would present
>enormous ethical problems. Who would give their body to be joined up to
>someone else's head? Do donors leaving their bodies for medical
>research think that they are going to be used in this sort of way? I
>expect that the majority hope that their organs will be given to other
>people individually, eg kidney transplants, corneal grafts, etc.
>Informed consent, I bet, would mean people would revile at the thought
>of this being done after their deaths.
I think I agree with you here. Dividing up the organs would potentially
help many more people and thus be a much better use of a donated body.
White's goals as stated in this programme were to help paralyzed people
who's organs are failing. He said that the major cause of death in these
people is something like Complete Body Dysfunction, where most of the
organs deteriorate. These people would have their heads transplanted to
a donor body which would keep it alive but still would not be able to
control the body as the spinal cord would not be intact.
>>I find it very distrurbing that Dr White is able to go to the Ukraine to
>conduct experiments on humans, when his own countrymen won't allow this,
>for ethical reasons in his own country. The Ukrainians might not have
>access to such stringent ethical boards in their own country, or perhaps
>are too poor - no reason to go and conduct unethical experiments on
>them. At the risk of being reactionary, does this not smack of 'medical
>experiments' in Nazi Germany, on the Jews and other dispossessed groups
>of unfortunate individuals?
What is ethical in North America changes often, and not necessarily for
the better. Another culture might consider such experiments appropriate
and to have a compassionate goal and thus allow and encourage them to be
done. To me, ethics is a relative thing and there is nothing inherently
unethical about this sort of experimentation. Forty years from now the
prevailing view might be that it is perfectly reasonable to conduct such
experiments, and we might consider it unethical to withhold the
potential benefits from future generations.
This programme on TLC addressed such a question. Many people consider
germ-line gene therapy to be unethical which is why it is illegal to
conduct such experiments on humans. Families with children dying of
inherited disorders might disagree (those that were interviewed on this
programme certainly did) as to them it seems that generations of their
offspring are being sentenced to death and misery associated with
carrying these defective genes because it is considered unethical to
manipulate the human genome in this way.
> >I was recently shown an article in 'Brain' from the 1950's, about a
>German doctor who conducted experiments on people in the eastern bloc
>after the war - destroying groups of nerves systematically in their
>bodies, to see how they reacted. Again, I found that most disturbing,
>and what was more, it appeared in a mainstream and highly respected
>research journal such as Brain, under the auspices of genuine research
>for the 'good' of patients. Just because such an article appears in a
>well known journal, I believe it should not negate, or indeed cloud, our
>response to the ethics of conducting such experiments.
>
Again, what is ethical? I'm sure many in this newsgroup will be able to
relate the details of this story.... I recall an incident where a lab was
conducting experiments on primates where (I believe) limbs or nerves were
severed for some reason I can't recall. Animal rights activists found
out about this and managed to get the experiments stopped BUT also
prevented the scientists from sacrificing the animals. Thus the animals
were to be kept alive "suffering" in some terrible state. The animals
rights people considered the experiments to be unethical and yet what
they did seems to be even more unethical to me. I believe the scientists
had the ruling overturned after years of legal fighting and were
eventually allowed to sacrifice the animals.
Anyway, I think TLC will be repeating this programme later this month.
You might find it interesting. I'll try to find out when.
Brian
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