Apparently posting from snowe at rain.org's account, early at day.com wrote:
>Prescribing drugs for people that create physical changes in their
>brains, identifiable under a microscope, and physical neurological
>disease, and *forcing* these drugs on people, suppressing information
>about brain damage that is caused by the drugs -- tardive dyskinesia
>is brain damage -- strikes me as utterly unconscionable and something
>that happens much less in other areas of medicine.
That's your opinion. I don't agree with it but I agree with your
right to post it. If I comprehend your sentence structure correctly,
one of your points is that prescribing medication for physical
neurological disease strikes you as utterly unconscionable and another
one is that it happens much less in other areas of medicine.
I'll leave it for somebody else explain why the first assumption is an
opinion whose validity is questionable because of your anti- medical
biases; the second part is just probably incompetent grammar on your
part, so I will ignore it.
>What it sounds like to me is that the brain is trying to recover to
>the medication, to adapt. Given those physical changes it could
>mean that it creates a dependency where people *have* to take the
>medication because they start hallucinating without it, reinforcing
>a belief that they must have needed it in the first place because
>they had a brain disease -- while actually the brain disease was
>caused by the drugs.
I have repeatedly asked for evidence of these brain changes from the
one person most likely to post it, and gotten none. The fact of
dendritic spreading is therefore really just idle (one might say
brain- numbed) speculation at this point. The main thing dendritic
spreading would reinforce, if it occurs, is the fact that the dopamine
model of schizophrenia is correct.
>I went to a doctor a couple of years ago because I was having
>heart palpitations, dizzy spells. I was told they had drugs but
>I was better off not taking them unless the palpitations became
>an emergency -- if I lost consciousness because of them -- because
>the drugs were bad for the heart. Would that the same standards
>applied in psychiatry. People get the antipsychotic drugs pushed
>at them at the drop of a hat.
By that logic, the next time you break your leg, just let it heal up
naturally without having it aligned and splinted or casted and hobble
around deformed the rest of your life as a result of not having that
trauma medically treated. And under no circumstances take any
analgesic. Your leg deserves the right to work through its trauma
sans drugs.
>A lot of this -- the forcible drugging, the way people can be picked
>up by police and put into a mental hospital if they're acting odd --
>and so on, seems to me to come from fear. The idea of "losing one's
>mind", the fear of being out of touch in some basic way, is primal,
>and it's suppressed by force, by stowing people who act disturbing
>away in a mental hospital, etc. Other people are often much more
>bothered by whatever is going on than the person themselves, which
>is why drugs and hospitalization are often forced. Any time something
>is forced, one has to ask -- what's in it for the forcing person?
And I ask what's in it for all you anti- psychiatry zealots? You all
obviously have more knowledge of mental illness than either
professional mental illness specialists, neuroscientists, or actual
mental patients do. Please post all the human rights violations you
personally have suffered at the hands of _competent_ mental illness
professionals and after you do so I *might* take you seriously.
[an off- topic review of a book about an epileptic snipped]
>There seems to be something very akin to racism which goes on
>relative to people labelled "mentally ill". There's an us vs. them
>mentality.
I agree mental patients should be treated like all other non-
criminals with respect to what rights they have according to the U.S.
Bill of Rights and the U.N. Declaration of Human Rights. Do you?
Unfortunately, your inappropriate placement of quotation marks around
the phrase mentally ill betrays your irrational bias that mental
illness does not really exist. Yes, I know many biases are irrational,
that's why one must take bias into consideration when evaluting the
credibility of an information source.
--
Legislate the in$urance indu$try out of the business of preventing
medical care. Bean-counters have a DNR order with *your* name on it.
