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>>JOHN PARRISH THOMPSON <gsi03919 at gsaix2.cc.GaSoU.EDU>
>>You comment that an attempt to apprehend personhood
>> is a conceptual error
>>Indeed, the conceptual error I pointed is in trying to apprehend it in
>general, while personhood, contrarily, is determined by cadacualtez
>(as I tried to depict in my mail).
>>> Nevertheless, the concept is one used by our society
>> to determine the rights of entities such as unborn children
>> in the case of abortion as well as comatose humans in the
>> instance of euthanasia.
>>Just so. No transcendental advice is secured. Every one
>from the appr. 3000 anthropologically-studied societies
>determine the rights of entities such as criminal pigs, falling trees
>judicially condemned to disintegration, euthanasy candidatures
>(some weeks ago one of us here ought to have decided when ap-
>plying eight morphine high-doses at once to a most beloved person),
>unborn foetuses, embryos and unused spermatozoids.
>>> Therefore, I believe it merits an attempt to apprehend the
>> traits of personhood as used in these, among other, cases
>>Certainly, but it is a sociological study; not one in the transcendental
>pattern of a network of those socially-determined rights.
>>> so as not to violate the rights of these entities which we recognize
>> as being natural rights of persons, such as the right to life.
>>If you recognize them by practical affirmation (non only declaratively),
>you cannot violate them. (That's love, and love is care, the only fact that
>gives sense to life. But natural rights do not exist, or what determined
>them is an inept rascallion needing an astrophysical-biological evolution
>putting so much painful contents into the consciousnesses evolved therein,
>as sobbed by every rat being devoured or parallel suffering organism
>in any biosphere at any time).
>>> Finally, I wish to make sure that I understand your answer.
>> It is your assertion that an analysis of EEG patterns by either a
>> neuroscientist or, perhaps, a computer analysis could not differentiate
>> a single pattern, frequency, or wave, common only to humans
>> and not present in higher order primates? They would
>> appear identical even to a skilled professional?
>>Sure enough. EEG and MEG give notice, blurred within certain gross
>time resolution, of the speed of changes in the "instantaneous" state
>of the distribution of charges accross the organic tissue volume. This
>is a part of brain psychogenetic Function 1. Functions 2 and 3 are
>not probed, albeit they are central for giving contents to consciousness.
>Moreover, besides contents, consciousness (experiencing) is a general
>physical function (remember that in this academic tradition we are
>hylozoist, while in your cultural environment most people are aristote-
>lically enemies of hylozoism). So there is no reason to expect that
>one or several patterns of Function One could distinguish the psycho-
>genetic processes of one species from those of others, specially
>inside the same Order. To try distinguishing them we should first ha-
>ve described the psychogenetic physical processes, a task for which
>I guess we must devote some thirty years worldwide (and which still
>is not even envisaged in most central countries, to not offend their
>societally deared prefigurations); then we should begin to apply the
>so acquired concepts to compare very different psychogenetic pro-
>cesses as, i.e., the ones at the brains of the hominids and of the great
>squid (or giant calamar, if it also have developed the three functions
>in its profuse neuropil).
>>> Please e-mail me and let me know if my understanding is correct.
>> Your attention to this will be greatly appreciated. Sincerely, Parrish.
>>The weight of your questions advices to post it to our forum, so as to
>enable our colleagues netters to intervene; do not forget that this
>kind of international exchanges hook up very different prefigurations,
>disintegrating the uniformity of locally prevalent preconcepts. This is
>the fecondity of international lists; we all are ignorant but fortunately
>all we don't ignore the same things and so we can guide each another.
Prof. Mariela Szirko,
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Centro de Investig. Neurobiologicas, Ministry of
Health & Welfare, Argentine Republic; and
Lab. of Electroneurobiological Res.,
Hospital "Dr. Jose Tiburcio Borda", Municipality of Buenos Aires,
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