Eric Midkiff <ericmidkiff at worldnet.att.net> wrote in message
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>> Lyle McDonald <lylemcd at onr.com> wrote in message
> news:385708F3.7B7A at onr.com...> > Bill R wrote:
> > >
> > > pathos wrote:
> > > >
> > > > In article <385626D5.4786 at erols.com>, Stuart Dunn
<dunns99 at erols.com>
> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > > Protein intakes far above 100g increase the risk of
> > > > > kidney failure, and certain types of protein, such as egg white
> protein
> > > > > and casein, increase the amount of calium that is removed from the
> > > > > bloodstream by the kidneys. In extreme cases, this causes kidney
> stones.
> > > > > If that calcium that is lost is not properly replaced (from milk,
> > > > > calcium pills, or food), osteoperosis will result.
> > > >
> > > > Sounds to me like this can be substaintiated with a paper or two.
You
> > > > state is a fact and it may be a fact but let the studies decide
that.
> > >
> > > The person above is failing to consider that for a valid
> > > comparison, all other parameters should be the same:
> > > same total calcium, same total phosphorus.
> > >
> > > I bet that is not so in whatever study he is looking at.
> > >
> > > In any cases, the demographic group with the highest
> > > bone mineral density -- namely, weightlifters -- also
> > > is one with among the highest protein intakes. So it
> > > certainly is not true that high protein diets *will*
> > > cause calcium loss.
> > >
> > > This would be apparent to anyone capable of even
> > > a modicum of thought.
> >
> > All I'll say is that the vegan/anti-protein folks really need to look
> > at more current reseearch. The protein-calcium loss is far from
> > proven and recent research suggests that the early studies suggesting
> > kidney damage were drawing false conclusions.
> >
> > They might want to check out the paper:
> > Millward, DJ. "Optimal intakes of protein in the human diet" Proc
> > Nutr Soc (1999) 58: 403-413.
> >
> > Rather than quoting from 20 year old books.
>> I could draw an amazing correlation between the vegan cultist mentality
and
> certain, rarely effective forms of training.
>> Eric
Is urine considered acceptable on a vegan diet?
Whitney
>> Cthulhu in 2000
> Why vote for a lesser evil?
>>
