You see, Stuart!
Even the person asking the question knows more than you!
Talk about the "blind leading the blind"!!!
--Tom
River Mouse wrote:
>> "Stuart Dunn" <dunns99 at erols.com> wrote in message
> news:3854C135.2428 at erols.com...> > River Mouse wrote:
> > >
> > > I'm reading that without an adequate balance of the eight essential
> amino
> > > acids, the body is incapable of synthesizing tissue from protein.
> Instead,
> > > surplus protein is reduced to simpler proteins for synthesizing
> > > non-essential amino acids and/or converted to glucose and potentially to
> > > fat.
> [...]
> > > What ratio are the eight essential proteins needed in? Do these ratios
> > > change in repairing muscles under extreme duress, i.e. in weightlifting?
> > >
> > > Where can I find reference for the levels of the essential amino acids
> > > contained in common foods? My particular interest is in vegan foods.
> >
> > It's not the ratios you need to be concerned with, it's the amounts. As
> > a rule of thumb, anyone eating at least 45 grams of protein a day from
> > sources other than gelatin and watermelon is safe, even if they have
> > active lifestyles. Except for sweets and greasy foods, all commonly
> > eaten vegan foods have "complete" proteins. Go to Walton Feed's website.
> > It has more details.
>> This is a grossly inaccurate oversimplification. I know for a fact that many
> foods are lacking in some of the 8 essential amino acids - these are the
> proteins which your body CANNOT synthesize on its own.
>> Without all eight of the essential amino acids present, your body CANNOT do
> anything with that protein except break it down to synthesize the
> nonessential proteins and treat any surplus like fat.
>> Let's say you take 100g of each of these four protein supplements (I'm
> listing supplements because I can't find Essential Amino Acid ratios for
> conventional foods yet).
>> Whey: Cross-Flow Microfiltration Whey Protein Isolate
> Soy: 90% Soy Protein Isolate
> Egg: Egg White Protein Concentrate
> Rice: Rice Protein Concentrate
>> Here's how many grams of each of these amino acids you'd get:
>> (You might want to change to a fixed width font for this table)
>> Whey | Soy | Egg | Rice | EAA
> -----+-----|-----|------|----------
> 6.8 | 4.3 | 4.5 | 4.2 | L-Isoleucine
> 10.9 | 7.2 | 6.8 | 8.6 | L-Leucine
> 9.5 | 5.5 | 5.5 | 3.5 | L-Lysine
> 2.5 | 1.2 | 2.7 | 2.4 | L-Methionine
> 3.1 | 4.6 | ? | 5.2 | L-Phenylalanine
> 8.3 | 3.3 | 3.6 | 3.6 | L-Threonine
> 2.0 | 1.1 | 0.9 | 1.3 | L-Tryptophan
> 6.4 | 4.4 | 5.1 | 4.7 | L-Valine
>> If methionine is the limiting factor, you'll need over twice as much soy
> protein as you'd need whey protein to get the same usable EAA.
>> Look at lysine, and you'll see that you need about three times as much rice
> as you'd need whey.
>> Some foods are heavier in sources than others. Since I want to rely largely
> on soy sources for protein for the time being, I'm trying to find vegan
> foods which are balanced in favor of lysine, methionine, threonine and
> tryptophan to make up the difference. Peas and lentils are supposedly
> heavier in these, so the combination of peas and soy protein may result in
> something like whey's balance.
>> Mind you - that's -whey's- balance. I'm still looking for a source of
> information on what ratios a body really needs. It may turn out that
> tryptophan or one of the others isn't needed in as great a proportion.
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