In article <4vvung$ssu at dartvax.dartmouth.edu>, djwesten at coos.dartmouth.edu
(David J. Westenberg) wrote:
>kirberg at nki.nl (Jorg Kirberg) writes:
> > >Sorry, I could not resist to mention it to others: There is this Alexander
> >von Humbold (AvH) Foundation in Germany and you know what is the criterion
> >to get a fellowship from them:
> >You have to go into the lab of one of their former fellows.
> >Quite an inbreeding ...
> > >Yours,
> >jorg
> > Sorry, this is not correct. AvH fellowships are for non-German scholars
> to work in Germany so that's impossible (i.e. Germans cannot be former AvH
> fellows). You can pretty much work anywhere you want as long as you have
> a German sponsor. They are also not limited to laboratory work and a
> large number of AvH fellows also work in the humanities. There is a
> separate fellowship, called the Feodor Lynam (Sp?) Fellowship, for German
> scholars to work outside of Germany and THOSE are limited to working with
> former AvH fellows.
>> In response to the original question, I seem to recall a new
> Internationalesbegegnumzentrum (IBZ) being built in the Potsdam area but I
> may be mistaken. If there is, I would highly recommend trying to find
> housing there.
>> Good Luck,
>> Dave Westenberg
Dear Dave,
if I want to go abroad (meaning in my case going out of germany) I MUST
go into the lab of a former AvH fellow (might well be that this part is
called Feodor Lynam (???) programm, but it is given via the AvH foundation).
This person, most likely, was a forgeign fellow in germany before, as the
criterion is to be a former AvH fellow or being an AvH price winner.
If I go back then to germany, I will be shure of a nice supply of foreign
PostDocs ... which then will get german PostDocs ... and so on.
But essentially - and that is what I really don't like - here people
only get money once they join the club. (In germany, since the east
was absorbed, there is a nice name for this: 'Seilschaften').
This is not pretty much what science shall be: a free place where you
can do what you want (as long as you can convince the reviewers).
Therefore, I think I am pretty much right when saying this is inbreeding.
jorg
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