In <wardzal9-2901961938330001 at lucky157.nuts.nwu.edu> wardzal9 at mailw.starnetinc.com writes:
> In article <4eik8o$1s7 at doc.jmu.edu>, STU_LCBRAZ at vax1.acs.jmu.edu (Rogue2) wrote:
>> > >
> > > Apparently, the law of supply and demand does not apply to the world
> > > of the New Age audiologist. Sheesh! Get your heads out of the
> > > socialist clouds promulgated at the universities, and get into
> > > the real world. CFY's should be offered minimum wage, for minimal
> > > skills. That's what the CFY is for, relating book knowledge to
> > > the real world. I will not pay for a seasoned professional until
> > > he/she is certified and checked out.
> > >
> > > What a bunch of crybabies.
> > >
> > > Michael Ridenhour
> > Michael,
> > I completely agree with you. But I would hope that once someone
> > *does* earn their C's, a substantial (ok, adequate) raise would
> > be offered. How do you feel about that?
> > -Laura at too.many.people.looking.for.a.free.ride...go.out.and.earn.it!
>>>> It's nice to see so many fellow professionals telling those of us who are
> new to the field that we are JUST kids, have only book knowledge, and must
> earn or C's from an organization that pays no mind to the needs of our
> profession anyway.....
Ok first of all--let's not start making assumptions. I wrote the
reply above, and by the way...I'm not in graduate school yet.
I have a bachelor's in Psychology and have returned to finish up
the prereq's so I can get in and go into a progession that will
acutally pay me a decent sum.
However, every day I'm subjected to the whining and moaning of
a bunch of ungrateful, spoiled rotten brats who expect everything
to be handed to them on a silver platter. I'm sick of hearing my
my fellow students say "how am I going to pay for this?" instead of
getting off their butts and getting a job. (and incidently, they
seem to have no problem coming up with the money to by beer and
new clothes, and going out and wrecking the cars that mommy and
daddy pay the insurance on).
>so much for a spirit of togetherness among us....the
> attitude of the postings presented are very unfortunate.....the attitude
> that someone out of grad-school knows only book work is obviously wrong
> since, if I remember correctly, ASHA (whom I paid to tell me so) requires
> so many hours of PATIENT contact in a number of DIFFERENT settings....
And for this all of a sudden you have decided you are a professional,
and should be paid as such? Where do you come up with this idea?
Why have you invoked the name of ASHA here? Just a minute ago you
said they "paid no mind to the needs of our profession anyway"
The whole idea of a CFY is to show the the audiological world that
you are worth the money. Why would a company pay a professional
sum to someone who may or may not make it? It's like playing
> let's be honest, those of us fresh out of school are young, but now naive,
Ok, here you're saying that fresh students are naive, yet you
also said before that someone fresh out of grad school knows
more than book work, and then later made a point of asking
how many in private practice do interoperative monitoring
on a daily basis (paraphrased, of course)....so, which
is it? You're contradicting yourself.
>telling a recent that my education is not worth more than minimum
> wage, and with no benefits, is insulting to that person, but to the whole
They're not saying that. But you have to *earn* that pay by
proving you're worth it! And a CFY should allow you to do
this...you are essentially during this time, still in school.
I think it's insulting to a professional to expect them to
pay me a high sum when I haven't proven yet that I can make
it in their world!
>when we treat new-commers to our profession like
> pledges to a fraternity by hazing them with low-pay, high-intensity jobs
> we demean ourselves.....
Hello...welcome to the world of medicine.
(what do you think doctors go through? And they spend alot
more time in school than we do!)
>quit being so vain and treat new members of our
> community with respect.......
And take the risk that they may actually *hurt* your practice
before proving themselves? When you own your own private practice,
are you willing to take this chance and lose a subsatntial amount
of money on a CFY student who may have done work a lot of different
settings, but knows little about one area in particular?
Treating them with respect means giving them the wage they
deserve, AFTER they've proved that this money won't be
>and those of us who are new to this field
> must remember how shitty it can be to work for as much as a manager of a
> McDonalds and NOT do the same to later newcommers when we are in hiring
> positions...break the cycle of stupidity.
Comparing the current audiologists in the field to managers
of McDonald's is quite insulting.