Excelife excelife at earthlink.net
Sat Jul 25 22:51:05 EST 1998

In article <35B91522.4EF0 at netcom.ca>, tmatth at netcom.ca says...
>Excelife wrote:
>> I may be "demonizing" these companies but they are "killing" us!
>Please be careful the way you say things. I don't wish to turn this ng
>into a political forum, but this statment is quite invalid. One *must*
>be careful to differentiate between coercive or active, direct harm and
>the appropriate individual freedom of choice with ones ideas and speech
>which everyone *must* be allowed. They are no more "killing" us, but
>refusing to divulge information, than we are "killing" those in the
>hunger and poverty stricken three world, by refusing to give them all
>our wealth beyond subsistence level.

Yes, Tom, I did use a little hyperbole in my response but, I believe with 
just cause.  These companies are making the "choice" to withold this 
information which could benefit us all.

Contrary to what was said in a previous post in this thread, I fully support 
the Patent System.  I only wish these companies would utilyze it. This system 
provides them with legal protection for their work and allows them to get a 
legitimate return on their investment while at the same time making the 
scientific data available to other researchers who can review the Patent 
application.  Just why don't they patent this work?

Now maybe I'm wrong!  Maybe I just haven't looked in the right places or 
maybe I just wasn't smart enough to recognize it when I saw it.  So I'll put 
the questions to the group to see if answers really are available.

Since transforming growth factors, basic fibroblast growth factor and a 
number of other growth factors can cause cells to live and reproduce beyond 
their expected growth limits are they;

1) Causing the telomeres on the chromosomes to increase their length or at 
least stopping them from shortening during cellular reproduction?

2) Mitigating damage the cells are expected to encounter through oxidation, 
free radicals or other causes?

3) Delaying the cells age-related genetic expression and if so by what 

4) Repairing mutations in mitachondrial, and/or nucleic DNA or RNA?

Or is there some other explanation for these cells ability to live beyond 
their "Hayflick Limit"?

>> Each day
>> they refuse to share information on processes that have a direct relation 
>> cellular aging is a days delay in the research into longevity.  How many 
>> do you have left?
>You have a perfectly valid complaint and I share your anger and wish to
>denounce this kind of action and to ostracize those taking it. Just
>don't call such a passive action "killing".

>Tom Matthews

I will hold my tongue until I've seen the responses to the above questions or 
much more likely, until I find the answers are not available.

Thomas Mahoney, Pres.
Lifeline Laboratories, Inc.

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